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« Reply #135 on: April 09, 2009, 08:11:51 AM »
Just what I was looking for! My coolant and Vac tubes are all crappy like so. Doing timing gear, water pump, thermostat and radiator so good time to deal with this too.

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« Reply #136 on: April 12, 2009, 04:50:45 AM »
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The plate was a bandaid BMW added after designing the whole engine in order to pass start up emissions in the US. Take a close look at this BMW publicity shots from when the engine was first intruduced. No plate.


I have put about 500 miles on the car without the plate and I'm getting 27mpg.


My engine looks exactly the same as the engine on the picture. I do have a throttle body heater, but it's very small and underneath the throttle body





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« Reply #137 on: April 12, 2009, 05:42:58 AM »
I want this picture in this thread too!!



just spent too much time on searching it
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« Reply #138 on: April 15, 2009, 01:55:02 AM »
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I want this picture in this thread too!!



just spent too much time on searching it


Asserti do you have a larger image of this. Also a parts list perhaps? Recently bought a '90 318is and doing some neglected maintenance. My idle is crap and I *suspect* it are the shot hoses. So far I figured out 7 required hoses for oil ventilation and the ICV. I haven't even started with coolant hoses yet.

http://de.bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E30/2-doors/Europe/318is-M42/LHD/M/1990/april/browse/engine/cooling_system_water_hoses/
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« Reply #139 on: April 17, 2009, 09:35:12 AM »
check out http://www.realoem.com. There you can find the images, bigger, but seperated, and with the part numbers attached.

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« Reply #140 on: May 04, 2009, 02:23:14 PM »
Just did this all Friday afternoon. Slow but certain success. The car idles perfect. It actually starts when hot with the AC on now! And I might actually pass emissions this year by more than just one number.

Wasn't too bad. I kept the coolant running through the throttle body and replaced all lines with as OEM as I could get. I made one hose between the throttle body and the cooling plate, but that was all. The one kicker was the 4-port one to the front of the car has changed since it was in my car. It is now in three pieces where mine was just one vacuum line to the throttle body. I learned this upon getting home and digging into the intake. This prompted a trip to the hardware store to fashion my own replacements. They're working great!

Thanks for all the diagrams, couldn't have done it without.

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« Reply #141 on: May 16, 2009, 01:07:36 AM »
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Removing the heater plate allows you to do a custom re-plumb and eliminate the clutter underneath. But not entirely. You still need 3 hoses, one from the ICV to the intake boot, one from the valve cover to the throttle body, and one that connects the plastic water outlet to the nipple on the head.


Could somebody tell me what size hoses I need and what kind of hoses I need to get? Thanks guys.

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« Reply #142 on: June 03, 2009, 10:43:04 AM »
I have taken my manifolds off, and am trying to simplify my hose situation.  I want to basically do the same thing you did.  

which heater hose is this that you have in the box?  where does it connect?
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i have been following this diagram to try and simplify


it looks like the  1 ft of 5/8" heater hose that you used replaces hoses 11 and 10.  

I cant figure out what the heater hose in your box is.  Is it one of the hoses in this diagram?  what else should i replace while i have the manifold off?  All help is much appreciated.  Thanks.:)

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« Reply #143 on: June 03, 2009, 12:26:11 PM »
Its #4 in the diagram. Attaches to the pipe on the side of the bock on one end and the other end at lower corner of the radiator. I had a hell of a time trying to install it. The hose wasn't flared out enough at the radiator end.
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« Reply #144 on: June 03, 2009, 02:05:09 PM »
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Its #4 in the diagram. Attaches to the pipe on the side of the bock on one end and the other end at lower corner of the radiator. I had a hell of a time trying to install it. The hose wasn't flared out enough at the radiator end.


so #4 is the only hose that you replaced with an OEM hose.  is there another option for #4 that you think may work better?  Im trying to order my parts at the same time.

THe other OEM piece that has been mentioned is the outlet and o-ring at the coolant line.  I guess its #12.  

I am noob to all of this, and would like to do as much maintinance as possibe while i have the manifold off.  Is there is anything else you suggest i do while i have it opened up?  Thanks.

Im thinking that if i am going to do injectors, now would be the time.
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« Reply #145 on: June 03, 2009, 08:38:03 PM »
I really didn't know much about this car when I did that project either. I'm pretty sure you could use a generic piece of hose for that thing. The problem is the hose is skinny at one end and thick at the other but the replacement I bought skinny at both ends. So in the end even a direct replacement hose will end up requiring a custom solution. I got mine from an online vendor but maybe the dealer part has a better fit. I don't know.
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« Reply #146 on: June 29, 2009, 04:15:41 PM »
tjts1, can you update the first post? I’ve been scouring this thread and the board to finish this project, and I think one post in the beginning would be a lot easier to read! This is my own summary of what other members have said and my own experience. And by the way, a thousand thanks to all of you! I couldn’t have done this without all of your help.

Parts you will need:

•   Plastic Coolant Pipe from Block (Part # 11531714738) (Diagram Link)
*NOTE: Make sure this is OEM! Aftermarket pipes have been found to leak, as noted here*
•   O-Ring for Pipe (Part # 11531709157)
•   Throttle Body Gasket (Part # 13541743261) (Diagram)
•   Upper – Lower Intake Gasket (Part # 11611717761) (Diagram)
•   Lower Intake – Block Gasket (Part # 11611734684) (Diagram)
•   BMW Antifreeze (Part # 82141467704)
Or whatever brand you choose, of course.
•   5/8” Coolant Hose
•   5/16” Fuel Hose (Make sure it is fuel INJECTION hose, not fuel hose for a carb)
•   19/32” Vacuum Hose
I found all three hoses at Advance.
*NOTE: DO NOT use fuel hose for vacuum hose or vice versa. If improper lines are used they could expand or collapse.*

Under the manifold, as pictured in this thread, there is a mess of hoses.

In addition, you get rid of the throttle body heating plate, which as many have said, is of no use. Most of the hoses are unnecessary, and we’re getting rid of them as well as rerouting the vacuum lines to make future maintenance easier, and limit the number of possible leak points. Most importantly, you’re getting rid of the two junctions. You’re replacing the plastic coolant pipe because it’s relatively cheap, and they tend to crack over time on M42s. In the end you’ll have three hoses:
•   One vacuum hose from the valve cover to the throttle body

•   One vacuum hose from the idle control valve to the intake elbow

(the other side of the idle control valve will go to the same place, but you can extend the hose if you’d like to make the ICV easier to access.)

•   One coolant hose from the coolant pipe’s outlet to the nipple on the head. This is a personal preference; some have simply plugged the two holes. Read more here.

These two hoses are NOT the same size. Even though I trust the results found here, I'm still wary of my head cracking, so I thought I would connect the two just to be safe. A local plumbing supply store rigged this up for me, and I haven't had any leaks. It's not pretty, but it works.

I'll report back in a few months, but it seems fine. Just in case I do find a leak, I ran this just outside of the lower intake, so I can plug the lines with some bolts if necessary.
When you’re done, don’t forget to bleed the cooling system! Here’s how.

Other things to think about while you’re down there…
•   Are the two rubber coolant hoses that meet the plastic pipe we’re replacing in good shape? (#s 4 and 22 here)
•   Do you want to install a catch can? It’s really not necessary if you use synthetic oil, but some have put one in line between the valve cover and the throttle body.
•   Is it time to upgrade your injectors? Many have upgraded to Ford’s 4 pistil injectors (as opposed to our 1 jet) for better atomization of fuel. Read more here.
•   If you don’t want to change out your injectors, at least give them a clean! Pelican Parts explains how.
•   The rubber hoses going into the hard lines on the lower intake. You have to buy some short pieces that lead from the hard lines to the fuel rail, so you might as well do a little preventative maintenance and buy a few feet. (#s 15 and 16 here)
•   Clean out your AFM sensor!
« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 04:59:35 PM by teh Phil »

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« Reply #147 on: June 30, 2009, 04:03:56 PM »
***EDIT: Nevermind guys sorry about the post I figured it out.

Hey,

So i'm going to do this on my 91 318is soon, and just have a few questions to clarify the 3 hoses that aren't oem.

On the 'parts you will need list' list on the last post by teh Phil, it says you need a 5/8" coolant hose, a 5/16" fuel hose, and a 19/32" vacuum hose.

I was kind of confused because you only listed one vacuum hose on the parts needed list, but your pics show the need for 2 vacuum hoses (one from the ICV to the intake elbow, and one from the valve cover to the throttle body).

I guess what i'm trying to specifically ask is:
What size is the vacuum hose from the valve cover to the throttle body?
What size is the vacuum hose from the ICV to the intake elbow?
Is the 5/8" coolant hose on the parts needed list for the coolant pipe's outlet to the nipple on the head?
And what is the 5/16" fuel hose for? I didn't see any reference to it in the pics.

Sorry if some of the questions are kind of obvious, but i'm pretty new to all of this.

Thanks!
« Last Edit: June 30, 2009, 04:57:42 PM by 318is »

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« Reply #148 on: June 30, 2009, 04:26:25 PM »
Quote from: teh Phil;74524
All sorts of awesome...
Excellent write up. I updated the first post. If you need to make any changes PM me and I'll update the first post.
cheers
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« Reply #149 on: June 30, 2009, 07:13:41 PM »
Cool, glad you figured this out, but I'll reply just for clarity:

Quote from: 318is;74580
What size is the vacuum hose from the valve cover to the throttle body?
What size is the vacuum hose from the ICV to the intake elbow?

The vacuum hoses are all the same size. Just buy a few feet and cut off sections.
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Is the 5/8" coolant hose on the parts needed list for the coolant pipe's outlet to the nipple on the head?

Yes. I'll have to go back and find the size of the other coolant hose to the nipple on the block, but the 5/8" hose fits the plastic coolant pipe. Again, this is all irrelevant if you choose to plug the holes, unless you want to attach a short section, throw some bolts in to plug it and put a hose clamp around that.
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And what is the 5/16" fuel hose for? I didn't see any reference to it in the pics.

The fuel lines go:
Hard line from tank -
Short rubber section by fuel filter in front of rear driver side tire -
Hard lines along the bottom of the car -
Approx 1.5-2' section from hard line ending behind front tire -
Approx 1' long section hard line -
2" section from hard lines to fuel rail

You will definitely need to replace the 2" section to the fuel rail (there are TWO of them), but I figured that I might as well replace the rubber on the other side of the hard lines while I'm down there.