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« Reply #195 on: November 12, 2008, 11:22:22 AM »
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Excellent, that's just the information i needed.
I think i will leave standard injectors as is for good cold start/idle/atmospheric conditions and provide additional rail and injectors along the intake runners, such as your suggestion. Should make tuning for boost easier than one set of larger injectors, then having to remap entire rev range and hope for smooth transition. And requiring standalone expensive ecu.
I plan on using my smt6 and a tech edge wide band unit i built up.
These are made in australia and are quite cheap to purchase kits.
They are a true wideband unlike factory o2 sensor, which is useless for accurate readings.Especially when relying on afr information for home tuning.

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yes i know tech edge very well i had some pieces from 2A0 model i build mine too  :)

when you start installing  smt6  connect map sensor output on deflection in on smt6 than in the table  horisontal you will have  from left to right vacuum to boost, on vertical you had rpm-s and than you can map your car easy if you have some questions ask here i will help you.  

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« Reply #196 on: November 12, 2008, 03:30:33 PM »
.....seems like a lot of work and a lot of money, but I am geetting more and more convinced to turbo my e36 and not swap the engine :D
Keep up the good work, thanks for posting all of this information on here.

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« Reply #197 on: November 12, 2008, 05:36:36 PM »
The information you share is priceless!
Work shall commence shortly.
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« Reply #198 on: November 13, 2008, 12:58:47 AM »
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hey i don't give a fuck when you start to built turbo engines
make your own thread and there you can shear your ideas , for me your solutions here is a pure spam !


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« Reply #199 on: November 13, 2008, 04:28:25 AM »
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Here's a true expert ! Who's solutions are the only right way to build engines. Yes, i know back in 1978 in Bulgaria it was a little bit hard to build cars, when´only Ladas, Volgas, Trabants, Wartburgs and Moskcwitschs were available. Don't be so sensitive, your way is not the only right one to build turboed cars.


 Mine solutions is not the only right but they work fine and i shear them in my trhead . I made many tests to discover the right working solutions   spending my time and my money  and you with your posts consciously or not  throw into confusion the other people who want to build another powerful cars.

 They don.t care what cars has  far 1978 in Bulgaria political situation and history ,they care about present,future and turbo beemers , they don't need some uncle like you who live in the past talkin bullshits!


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« Reply #200 on: November 13, 2008, 07:09:25 AM »
Mention one think of the tecnical issues i have wrote bullshit ? OK my mention to Bulgarian past was a hit under belt, but as you can see i moderate it myself.

If i ask why you have removed lambda and give an example how it can be used even with SMT6, then i suppose it is not spam/bullshit or anything else what should be moderate. Your tecnical innovations are just fine, but i would not do all things the same way as you have done. What comes to turbo charged motors, things can be done so many ways, so it might be hard to find out what is right, what is wrong and what is almost accetable. At least i am willing to listen people who have more experience of engines, who have made it with trial and error and perhaps learnt something, after all i am not that cabable so i can ignore other people opinions.
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« Reply #201 on: November 13, 2008, 12:21:48 PM »
i don't really see what the issue is here, one person mentions another way to go about building a car and someone is ticked off because they don't like that particular setup.

keep the discussion civil please.

this is a forum, you're going to have to face the music because like ose30 says, there are MANY MANY different variations when it comes to building a turbocharged car.

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« Reply #202 on: November 13, 2008, 12:21:48 PM »
i don't really see what the issue is here, one person mentions another way to go about building a car and someone is ticked off because they don't like that particular setup.

keep the discussion civil please.

this is a forum, you're going to have to face the music because like ose30 says, there are MANY MANY different variations when it comes to building a turbocharged car.

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« Reply #203 on: November 14, 2008, 03:19:23 AM »
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Mention one think of the tecnical issues i have wrote bullshit ? OK my mention to Bulgarian past was a hit under belt, but as you can see i moderate it myself.

If i ask why you have removed lambda and give an example how it can be used even with SMT6, then i suppose it is not spam/bullshit or anything else what should be moderate. Your tecnical innovations are just fine, but i would not do all things the same way as you have done. What comes to turbo charged motors, things can be done so many ways, so it might be hard to find out what is right, what is wrong and what is almost accetable. At least i am willing to listen people who have more experience of engines, who have made it with trial and error and perhaps learnt something, after all i am not that cabable so i can ignore other people opinions.
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  Ok tell me what exacly you will have using lambda?  how all system will work ?what afr will have in diferend rejimes what happens with fuel consuption? My way is tested from me i so that it works and i told to people wat i have done and what will hapen  i am shore that your way is wrong  it is no good and even can destroy turbo engine.  I tryed with lambda in the begining and i was't pleased.
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« Reply #204 on: November 14, 2008, 03:35:34 AM »
Hi! Ludiagsm. I saw your youtube video on your 8K RPM Turbo 318is. May I know what lifters and springs are you using to be able rev so high?

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« Reply #205 on: November 14, 2008, 05:17:20 AM »
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Hi! Ludiagsm. I saw your youtube video on your 8K RPM Turbo 318is. May I know what lifters and springs are you using to be able rev so high?

Hi they are original but i have clearence between  pistons and engine block 3mm at tdc,  when you make your engine you can use rods from m50b25 or m20b25 they are 135mm long using m47 crank and at tdc you will have 1,5 mm clearence between engine block and pistons you may rev at 8000 too but i am not shore about 6mm valves they are with one spring maybe it will work but i did't try that. my head has 7mm valves and two springs   it works nice.
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« Reply #206 on: November 14, 2008, 10:59:48 AM »
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Ok tell me what exacly you will have using lambda? how all system will work ?what afr will have in diferend rejimes what happens with fuel consuption? My way is tested from me i so that it works and i told to people wat i have done and what will hapen i am shore that your way is wrong it is no good and even can destroy turbo engine. I tryed with lambda in the begining and i was't pleased.

I hope i have understood all what you have wrote, my english is so bad, that i do not understand all the words you have used.

Ok, now to what you have asked, for what we can use lambda. If you do not have lambda connected A/F ratio is only measured by rpm's, in your case you intercept signal with SMT6. Even then you do not have in every case the most optimal A/F ratio, because you use the cell of Motronic's map which is calculeted by using the factors it gets from rpm & tps signals. Most likely you have taken this in concern and have defined richer ratio just to be sure not run too lean and have knock situation. When you use lambda (wide band) you can use lambda to adjust A/F ratio just to correct which mean Motronic can use the correct cell of it's map depending on what the engine load situation is. When you have this, it also save fuel in the most cases. I know many turbo charged Motronic engines are operated without lambda; i have done that also, and also do it especially when i step-on-it and drive more enthustiastic, especially on track use. It's easy to have lambda connected and use in Motronic area code plug with resistance and a switch, so i can just turn the lambda on or off when needed, when just cruising i prefer to have lambda adjust on, so i get the best possible A/F ratio, save the engine and save some fuel as well.When you have a WOT situation, then Motronic does not use lambda even if it is connected.In that case Motronic use WOT MAP. I usually configure that part newly because original WOT parameters does not work properly with turbo use. I suppose you use that extra SMT6 with extra injectors to full fill the additional fuel need of wot situation.  What come to use of SMT6 or any other piggy back, i do not see it madatory to use, i prefer proper chip made to the configuration i am using, it just needs some information how to configure Motronic binary file, proper programming tools, like Winols (also motronic editor will do), some dyno time and eprom programming tool, so you can burn your new program to eprom which you then use in your cars motronic box.Check out time perioid factory made Motronic Turbo installations.All of them use lambda, so they are safe and use of lambda does not destroy these engines. Factory systems use also in the most cases knock sensing systems to reduce boost and also to adjust timing.  I made my first BMW Motronic programs back in 1990, when we converted my friends ½ years old 325I to 327I with ETA crank. back then cheap Ebay chips for that configuration were not available, so we used as a base loaned Schnizer & Hartge chips codes. Hope you understood what i tried to explain here, english is not my strongest lanquage. You have done a great job there, most of your work i do accept some of it i might do a little bit different. Keep on doing good work, i hope you understand i do not have anything personal against you.
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« Reply #207 on: November 14, 2008, 02:27:06 PM »
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I hope i have understood all what you have wrote, my english is so bad, that i do not understand all the words you have used.

Ok, now to what you have asked, for what we can use lambda. If you do not have lambda connected A/F ratio is only measured by rpm's, in your case you intercept signal with SMT6. Even then you do not have in every case the most optimal A/F ratio, because you use the cell of Motronic's map which is calculeted by using the factors it gets from rpm & tps signals. Most likely you have taken this in concern and have defined richer ratio just to be sure not run too lean and have knock situation. When you use lambda (wide band) you can use lambda to adjust A/F ratio just to correct which mean Motronic can use the correct cell of it's map depending on what the engine load situation is. When you have this, it also save fuel in the most cases. I know many turbo charged Motronic engines are operated without lambda; i have done that also, and also do it especially when i step-on-it and drive more enthustiastic, especially on track use. It's easy to have lambda connected and use in Motronic area code plug with resistance and a switch, so i can just turn the lambda on or off when needed, when just cruising i prefer to have lambda adjust on, so i get the best possible A/F ratio, save the engine and save some fuel as well.When you have a WOT situation, then Motronic does not use lambda even if it is connected.In that case Motronic use WOT MAP. I usually configure that part newly because original WOT parameters does not work properly with turbo use. I suppose you use that extra SMT6 with extra injectors to full fill the additional fuel need of wot situation.  What come to use of SMT6 or any other piggy back, i do not see it madatory to use, i prefer proper chip made to the configuration i am using, it just needs some information how to configure Motronic binary file, proper programming tools, like Winols (also motronic editor will do), some dyno time and eprom programming tool, so you can burn your new program to eprom which you then use in your cars motronic box.Check out time perioid factory made Motronic Turbo installations.All of them use lambda, so they are safe and use of lambda does not destroy these engines. Factory systems use also in the most cases knock sensing systems to reduce boost and also to adjust timing.  I made my first BMW Motronic programs back in 1990, when we converted my friends ½ years old 325I to 327I with ETA crank. back then cheap Ebay chips for that configuration were not available, so we used as a base loaned Schnizer & Hartge chips codes. Hope you understood what i tried to explain here, english is not my strongest lanquage. You have done a great job there, most of your work i do accept some of it i might do a little bit different. Keep on doing good work, i hope you understand i do not have anything personal against you.


  Here i can't see the right solution only teory , that is what I mean you spoke about theory without practical example! Did you tryed it on real turbo m42 engine using motronic 1.7 and original lambda sensor i think you did't. That is what make me nervous. I tryed diferend ways using lambda emulation and other similar and they don't work good ! I tryed that and I know it for shore and you make dispute against to me just on teory.  This is not the right way to show people how much you know and how many years expiriance you have!

 Shearing my ideas i want to help other people .I show right working solutions and what exactly they must expect following my advice . I thing that most important tning for us is to buld quckly powerful engines and to drive our cars for long time without of problems not to discover hot wather  she was discovered many years before!
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« Reply #208 on: November 14, 2008, 04:07:28 PM »
I have done it to the following turboed BMW engines using original Motronic with re written Motronic code (written by myself):

E30 320is S14
E30 318I M40
E30 318IS M42
E30 325I M20

Following Porsche models

944
944 turbo
993

The question here is have you re wrote your Motronic program or are you just intercept the signal with SMT6? I have done Eprom/Prom programming over 25 years, yes i am working for IT world, so i studied computer sciense and that business branch is from where i get my living, it has also helped a lot configuring Motronic. Guess where i first ran into 27C series eproms used older Motronics? It was Flipper games :)  Then i programmed them to Token Ring network adapters, which was IBM's protocol before ethernet breake through

You just can't get Motronic work properly with the program ment for n/a engines because fuel and spark just has to be defined totally different compared the requirements with turbocharged engines. If you supercharge engine, turbo Motronic program won't work properly, it needs it's own code. What i am trying to tell you, do not overlook experience someone may have, i might be lot older than you are, you have nice solutions, but i suppose many other on this board has them as well.
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« Reply #209 on: November 14, 2008, 05:29:00 PM »
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I have done it to the following turboed BMW engines using original Motronic with re written Motronic code (written by myself):

E30 320is S14
E30 318I M40
E30 318IS M42
E30 325I M20

Following Porsche models

944
944 turbo
993

The question here is have you re wrote your Motronic program or are you just intercept the signal with SMT6? I have done Eprom/Prom programming over 25 years, yes i am working for IT world, so i studied computer sciense and that business branch is from where i get my living, it has also helped a lot configuring Motronic. Guess where i first ran into 27C series eproms used older Motronics? It was Flipper games :)  Then i programmed them to Token Ring network adapters, which was IBM's protocol before ethernet breake through

You just can't get Motronic work properly with the program ment for n/a engines because fuel and spark just has to be defined totally different compared the requirements with turbocharged engines. If you supercharge engine, turbo Motronic program won't work properly, it needs it's own code. What i am trying to tell you, do not overlook experience someone may have, i might be lot older than you are, you have nice solutions, but i suppose many other on this board has them as well.
ok than give us some dino data sheets pics and videos about turbo m42 mapped by you