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« Reply #135 on: September 03, 2008, 12:25:58 AM »

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« Reply #136 on: September 03, 2008, 03:53:42 AM »
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so there where they are on your old pics the four in a row is it wrong?
i want to get it right first time
and yes i am going to use smt6
my friend here in cape town with 318i turbo is also agent for perfect power


yes it works but it is no good , if you instal them on runners you will have more power and low fuel konsumption

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« Reply #137 on: September 03, 2008, 04:26:28 AM »
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my 316 m40 turbo is more than 220hp at 0,7 bar of boost

I have very hard to belive that unless you can show some dyno sheet. My other hobby is Porsche 944 Turbo's. On stock format (1986-1988 model years) they produce 220hp with 0.8 bar of boost. After all Porsche engine is 2.5 L vs BMW 316I 1.6 L. N/A version of Porsche 944 produce a bit over 160 hp, which is about 60 hp more BMW 1.6L does. Even with more sophisticated turbo than good old KKK 26/6 Porsche use most likely you will have about 200hp max. I belive you get about the same hp figures the stock 325I have.
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« Reply #138 on: September 03, 2008, 11:08:52 AM »
it is very easy to believe

bmw 318i m42 here makes well over 280hp on 1bar and the standard motor only makes about 140hp

my 316i m40b18 standard makes 113hp so i wont settle for less that 180hp with stock internals and 0.8 bar boost

i will be updating on progress and post as many pics as i go along from standard through to turbo
just as long as my wife ok,s the money :-(

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« Reply #139 on: September 03, 2008, 11:10:24 AM »
sir ludiagsm wont you please send a pic of the runners so i may look at your design

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« Reply #140 on: September 03, 2008, 11:39:08 AM »
1 bar is totally different than 0,7 he mentioned. My 944 turbo made 220 hp with standard 0.8 bar. With 1 bar it made 286hp. It's  often said fun starts at 1.0 bar. I just don't belive those figures with 0.7 bar pressure from 1,6L engine.

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« Reply #141 on: September 03, 2008, 02:25:56 PM »
well hopefully when my car is finished then we can see maybe bmw just has more modern tech than 84-88 porsche :D

what do you think the safest boost for my engine will be :confused:

standard it is 8.8 cr and 113hp

in sa the 316i e36bmw is actually an 1800c same like m42 but just 8valve
im going to take some pics tomorrow of what it looks like now with everything removed from the engine bay

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« Reply #142 on: September 03, 2008, 03:18:50 PM »
Just think about it yourself, with 0.7bar pressure you won't have +107hp from 1.6L even how modern engine you have. It will need over 1 bar to get that much additional HP.
Your engine is a base M40 engine with 8V head. With standard internal parts i would use max 0.5-0.7 depending what's the overall condition of your engine. I read sometime ago UK based BMW magazine which featured a turbo charged M40 318I convertible which has about 170hp under 1 bar pressure. Without major modifications these engines will not hold together very long if you use over 1 bar pressure, that's the fact. What comes to Porsche engine, it's much sophisticated compared to BMW M40/42 engines. I am currently making a 3.0L engine for my car. a friend of mine finished excatly the same kind  engine for his Porsche. He was at the dyno to make final adjustments. With 0.88 bar pressure he got 430hp.His engine is still in break in use, so pressure has been set to 0.8 bar.  The engine has been build to accept 1.2 bar pressures on daily drive, so you can calculate what kind of hp figures we are talking about.
I have a lot of "left over" Porsche 944 turbo parts and i have played with the idea to use them and charge my 1,8 liter BMW engine. KKK 26/6 should be enough for it :)
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« Reply #143 on: September 03, 2008, 08:42:51 PM »
Oh, you are the one! I have watched that video a couple of times on youtube but never did realise you actually did posted a thread here.

I have to saw its really an awesome car!

I have some question regarding your engine.

May I know what internals are you using and if the engine is already bored and stroke up. I am also planning to build a turbocharged (hopefully twincharged) M42 motor and is really fascinated by your build!

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« Reply #144 on: September 04, 2008, 02:46:21 PM »
i will load some pics for start of project:rolleyes:

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« Reply #145 on: September 05, 2008, 02:35:22 AM »
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I have very hard to belive that unless you can show some dyno sheet. My other hobby is Porsche 944 Turbo's. On stock format (1986-1988 model years) they produce 220hp with 0.8 bar of boost. After all Porsche engine is 2.5 L vs BMW 316I 1.6 L. N/A version of Porsche 944 produce a bit over 160 hp, which is about 60 hp more BMW 1.6L does. Even with more sophisticated turbo than good old KKK 26/6 Porsche use most likely you will have about 200hp max. I belive you get about the same hp figures the stock 325I have.

that porche is old model with old technology , to make your own picture of power you need boost lewel engine liters and some other sheets like compresion ratio and ignition advance ,type of turbocharger type fuel, runners diameter and many more litlle sheets :) soon i will poste a dyno of my 316 and my 328 turbo beemers i just wait my friend we will have dyno day here in Bulgaria>Sofiq :)
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« Reply #146 on: September 05, 2008, 02:36:38 AM »
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sir ludiagsm wont you please send a pic of the runners so i may look at your design

 ok today i will poste some :)

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« Reply #147 on: September 05, 2008, 02:42:48 AM »
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Oh, you are the one! I have watched that video a couple of times on youtube but never did realise you actually did posted a thread here.

I have to saw its really an awesome car!

I have some question regarding your engine.

May I know what internals are you using and if the engine is already bored and stroke up. I am also planning to build a turbocharged (hopefully twincharged) M42 motor and is really fascinated by your build!


you must read some pages behind and there is a info  and dino sheets and dino movie of my m42 turbo who is 380,3 hp and 467 NM on rear wheels on 2,3 bar of boost :)

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« Reply #148 on: September 05, 2008, 03:11:11 AM »
I suppose you have not studied Porsche 951 engine more closely? It's far more advanced engine compared for example to M40 8V engines. That engine is full aluminium one. Valvetrain is much sophisticated, it does not have rockers like M40 has, camsaft pushes directly lifters. Also cylinders are aluminium coverd with alusil coating, BMW moved alusil/nicasil about 1,5 decade later. Guess what car/model was the FIRST one to have a full Motronic enginemanagement system ? Yes it was Porsche 944 n/a model. Turbo was launched for model year 1986. Turbo versions Motronic with additional KLR box features also quite advanced knock detection and over boost protection system. Even tough this set up is now over 20 years old it still offers lots of possibilities for extra ponies.
There are a lot of MAF/MAP kits available, some of them uses even SMT6 boxes you are using as well. I hope you do not get me wrong, you have done a great job there, it's just hard to belive with 0.7 bar pressure your engine produce over 220 HP even with advanced cams, hopped up compression ratio etc.

Here's one quite advanced 944 turbo engine my good friend is just building. It has Darton 104mm MID sleeves with Wössner pistons. I am building quite similar setup except i am using Porsche 944 S2 alusil block which is already 104mm bore. I am using Mahle 104,5 mm Ferrostan coated pistons, like original 2,5 L engine with 100mm bore has. Heads we are using are modified a lot by a local specialist, who have all necessary equipment (flowbench etc.) available.The valves are sodium filled Chevy big block ones made by Manly. Here's few pictures taken from my friend's engine, my own build up is still more or less at the starting point.










Here's another friends engine (a 3.0L). It produced 430 hp (dynoed) with 0.88 bar. When break in perioid is over the boost will be turned to 1.2 bar, it should produce more than 500 hp, at least fun usually starts from 1.0 bar :)

 

Our engines have several items which has been custom made for us. Here's several:

Cam gear which give a lot of tuning possibilites



Rods. These are also made here locally. Builder who make these has been doing special engine parts professionally 25 years. Products are mainly used by scandinavian rally cars, also lot of finnish drag race teams use his rods. He guarnteed our rods can handle at least 1000hp and over 1000nm torgue. Should be enough for our "mild street engines" ;)



New throttlebody will be also slightly bigger. Old one with Edelbrock Mustang unit.



If you look closely pictures from my friends engine you can see same kind of throttle body installed.

Some "freshed" items for my engine build:
 


The only negative side to build these engines is the price, which will be between 12000€-15000€ depending what parts you are using :(

Here's interesting E30 turbo conversion :http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=84137&highlight=Turbo+M42&page=12
With 13 psi = 0.896bar 267 whp. Engine is a 2.0L 16V M42, so i hope you see my point, if you say well over 220 hp with 0.7 bar from a 8V 1.6 Liter... that car even features a Link Plus EMS, which is a very good system and gives a lot of possibilities over a piggy backed  Motronic's.
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« Reply #149 on: September 05, 2008, 12:18:23 PM »
it looks great wish you luck with porsche projects :)

pp: on my 316 m40 i use stock engine ,stock rods ,pistons valves and cam ,bearings just turbocharger four extrainjectors map sensor smt6 ,aluminium flywheel with 240mm sachs sport clutch not keramic just kevlar , i use original gearbox  diff from e36 325 with internels from e34 with 3,46 ratio and that is all :)
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