COP Brackets: Your Preferences?

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D. Clay

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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2006, 12:08:49 PM »
On the wiring, I had a thought along the lines of:
1) taking the harness apart farther away from the motor
2) attaching the connectors to the coils and securing at the rear of coil  bracket
3) taking slack out of wires by looping farther away from the motor - hopefully out of sight
4) recovering wiring harness.
You wouldn't have to mess with the pins in the connector plugs. Not for sure if this will work, but it sounds good.
If not too late, make mine with the tab and bracket as one piece - the bottom one in the first picture of both types. If not, that's OK too.

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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2006, 05:02:11 PM »
I really did not want to hack up my harness, but the problem with just looping stuff is that the harness's 4 sub harnesses are in pairs, each the same length.  The lengths are not staggered as would be nice in this case, and since the main part of it goes into a HIGE sheath with other stuff right before the firewall, cutting that up is not a great idea.  I guess with a bunch of work you could reroute stuff and maybe run the wires up along the top of the valve cover or something.  Heck, I encourage alternate ideas!

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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2006, 07:32:43 PM »
I'm just lazy!

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2006, 11:34:33 AM »
Quote from: tim_s
bmwman, these still available? been abroad for a month and not checked on here! can the plastic BMW cover go over these? can you send me a bracket to the uk? im in no rush as have a million and one things to do before this but wouldnt want to miss out!

As of now, the plastic cover will not fit on like it originally did...the coils are too high.  Something COULD be done to fasten them on top of the threaded studs if they were lengthened, but I have not begn working on that yet.

Quote from: twinpop171
Nice!!!
BMWMan, I wish you had these available before I dropped $85 on new plug wires!
BTW will the BavAuto HP coils bolt to the bracket too? That's what I 've got.
Dan.

If they were M42 stock replacements, then no, probably not.  If they look like the round ones in the link I posted above, then yes, they are good to go.  The link is THIS.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2006, 08:55:56 PM »
Prior to wire sorting:

-Aaron
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2006, 09:43:31 PM »
Haha stealing my thunder, eh?

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2006, 09:48:24 PM »
crap I thought the bmw plastic thing still would fit...ohh well
 
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2006, 11:34:23 PM »
I've got spare E36 M50 coilpacks, need another guinea pig William?

I was just about to order new wires too! Good timing? If E36 coils work, I'll take the test-fit one...just let me know how much shipped to 94403.
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2006, 12:10:28 AM »
Quote from: bmwman91
Haha stealing my thunder, eh?


Shhhh... people are supposed to think I got the bracket from you.

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2006, 01:54:05 AM »
I would love one of these, personally I wouldn't have a preference between the detachable or normal one. I say whatever ones going to be cheaper to make.

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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2006, 10:41:30 AM »
Quote from: BrandC
I've got spare E36 M50 coilpacks, need another guinea pig William?

I was just about to order new wires too! Good timing? If E36 coils work, I'll take the test-fit one...just let me know how much shipped to 94403.

The E36 m50 ones are the same as the m42 stockers, and I tried those first.  They CAN be fit in there, but I was not satisfied with the connector fitment.  The connectors must be put on the coils BEFORE they are installed in there as there is not enough room to slip the connectors on, for one.  Second, the wires coming out of the connectors are jammed at a very tight exit-angle/small radius against the next coil pack.

I do not know it is because of my engineering schooling, or just because I have had my car break down at very inopportune times due to me half-assing things back when I was a teenager (saying that makes me feel old...I guess it WAS quite a while ago!), but reliability is my #1 concern, performance second.  My other complaint with using stockers is that all four of the original mounting holes in the ferrous core have to be lopped off, and unless you have access to a welder (lucky for me I do), the iron slats can get 'frayed.'  That may have an impact on the energy transfer to the secondary windings inside the coil if it gets bad enough.  Cutting all of the mounting holes off is a pain anyway.

I am not saying they cannot work.  I only experimented with them for a little while, and when I was turned on to the smaller Bremi units I decided to go the easier route.  With proper reinforcement/support for the coil harness wires, the stockers are probably OK to use.  I know that a lot more folks would be interested in this if the stockers could be used.  Perhaps in the coming weeks I will come up with a bracket for those, but the buyer better be comfortable enough with a hack-saw to chop up the OE coils!

Initially, I had not planned to sell any brackets for this...just do the conversion, hack-saw brackets and make the plans public.  Well, it turns out that doing a GOOD job required me to use the Bridgeport mill in my garage...something most folks do not have.  So, after seeing that a lot of folks wanted this stuff I decided to make some kits & sell them for the cost of material + a little $ for the ~2 hours it takes me to make a nice bracket.  I have PDF files of the brackets' dimensions, and all are welcome to have a look.  I have a feeling that I will probably be making almost all of them for people though...unless you have a Bridgeport, or know how to write some simple G-code &  have access to a CNC machine.  "Real" machinists' time usually goes for a good $80+ per hour if you want to have one made by a shop.

Anyway, if and when I have a kit made up for the stockers I will be sure to let everyone know.  The hardware is going to cost more than the round-coil one FYI (not TOO much more, but it will be more).  It is going to be more pieces and more of my time (which I have little enough of!).  I still hold that the smaller round-coil setup is a better one.

Bracket Dwawing:
http://www.e30tuner.com/coilonplug/M42_COP_BRACKET_A1.PDF

EDITED:
New and improved drawing.
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Good Drawings.
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2006, 08:54:21 PM »
I have an old boring mill (part owner and it still sits 98% of the time) and would have to do that manually. More than 2 hours for sure.
Checked out your site and noticed the timing chain "grunch" Did you have any sign things were going south before the front cover was broken? I'd rather catch it before then as it's an expensive part. $75 at local salvage yard and about $300 new.

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2006, 10:43:18 PM »
Quote from: D. Clay
I have an old boring mill (part owner and it still sits 98% of the time) and would have to do that manually. More than 2 hours for sure.
Checked out your site and noticed the timing chain "grunch" Did you have any sign things were going south before the front cover was broken? I'd rather catch it before then as it's an expensive part. $75 at local salvage yard and about $300 new.


Well, my mistake was NOT checking the lower pan for metal bits.  Bolts probably won't get in there, but shattered bearing shells can and WILL.  Check this out for some details.
http://bmw.e30tuner.com/my318is_pic_oilfailure.php
I guess this is probably what you were looking at though.  There was no indication of something being sucked in until the engine died & the oil pressure light came on on an expressway near my house.  If there is any timing case noise, I would just rebuild it all.  I have done it a few times on 2 cars now, and it is not too bad of a job.  Pulling the timing case & reinstalling it with the profile gasket is hard, but doable without removing the head.  1000 miles later all is good...no leaks anywhere.

If anyone wants to borrow a crank-locking tool lemme know.  Shipping there & back is your dime though, and prolly at least $10 each way!  Still, cheaper than renting the 'real' tool!

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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2006, 11:42:27 AM »
I am dealing with the same situation right now (shelled pump).

I did an oil change less than 5000 miles previously, and the oil was clean. In fact I had just replaced the steering rack, tie rod ends and had an alignment, the car was running tip top when it went. Came around a corner full throttle, and was coming back down, as soon as the motor slowed to 4k the engine sound changed as the oil light came on. I had the engine killed within 1/4 of a second. Only reason I got it that fast was I was planning on checking my pan for bolts that weekend after having seen Febi's engine, so I was half expecting a problem. Just not this.


I suspect the only way you will probably know something is going wrong is by pulling the valve cover and inspecting the chain and cam sprockets. They will show wear. Look for cracks in the chain rollers and very sharp cam sprockets. My sprockets were so worn the tips had curled back a touch (like a hook).

If your chain is/was really noisey before doing the tensioner, check your chain.
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2006, 10:05:10 AM »
Sheepster, you get your pump/timing case rebuilt yet?

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