Thermostat and Coolant Bleeding Issues

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soadrules1989

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Thermostat and Coolant Bleeding Issues
« Reply #135 on: December 09, 2009, 08:51:33 AM »
i have the same issues.... it likes to stay around half and that with the heater blasting.. it bounces everywhere.. strange...

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Thermostat and Coolant Bleeding Issues
« Reply #136 on: December 09, 2009, 10:44:55 AM »
Quote from: iamcreepingdeath;81449
what i did notice is that if the temp needle started jumping, i have the gauge cluster a good smack and the needle drops back down where it is supposed to be immediately.




Mine does that too, and I've used the same solution. Been doing it since we bought the car in '04.

I think it may be a loose ground on the back of the gauge, but I never got around to pulling my gauge cluster to check.
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« Reply #137 on: December 10, 2009, 01:04:35 PM »
Bought both of these cars a couple years ago with high miles (180 &200k). Both immediately got new radiators, water pumps, and tstats, but still have the stock "vacuum hose nightmare under the manifold". On the red 91 318is, the temp needle would occasionally go to the red--symptoms similar to when my e32 735 had a blown head gasket. I swapped water pumps and tstats, and bled it many times, etc, etc., and finally had the engine rebuilt last year. It was OK on the temp for a while, but then the needle started creeping to the red, mainly on hot days this past summer. After horsing around with bleeding it for a week, again swapping water pumps and tstats, and eventually just trying to get the lower rad hose hot, I tried an experiment. I removed the upper radiator hose and substituted a piece of clear vinyl tubing in its place. I could see bubbles flowing. With the vinyl hose attached to the engine and disconnected from the radiator, and the disconnected end pointing up toward the sky, I poured coolant in. Then I pumped the lower radiator hose by squeezing it repeatedly. LOTS of bubbles came out of the upper hose, and then the coolant level dropped and I was able to pour another HALF GALLON of water into the vinyl hose. I reconnected the hose to the radiator, bled it, and it ran perfectly at the middle (12 O'clock) mark. Figuring the vinyl would fail, I re-installed the rubber upper radiator hose and bled it. In the following weeks the temp needle was mostly steady in the middle, but would occasionally creep toward the red. One day I gave the dash a smack, and VOILA! the needle jumped back to the middle.

Lessons: The temp gauge (or cluster circuitry) is definitely flaky (I've tightened the ground nut twice to no avail). Air bubbles keep the water pump from doing its job, and I had gotten a serious air bubble or pocket in the system when I swapped the water pump. And I might have also had a few bubbles left over from the engine rebuild--who knows? Maybe I need to let the coolant flow out of the bleed hole for a much longer time (I need a bigger drain pan and lots of 50/50 coolant on hand). And last, its hard to say if I wasted money on the engine rebuild.

Questions: I like the concept of rigging a tube to bleed coolant directly back into the reservoir--has anyone solved that puzzle? (iamcreepingdeath?) And why doesn't the little hole that spurts coolant into the top of the overflow reservoir serve to bleed the coolant? What is its purpose?

New problem: Fast forward 5 months. Last week, with cold weather forecast, I replaced the weak, dilute summer coolant with new bmw blue 50/50. It was a hurried job and maybe I didn’t bleed it enough. It is now in the teens and 20s outside and although the temp needle stays mostly in the middle, the heater doesn't stay warm--air coming out of the vents fluctuates from 50 to 100F, seemingly at random. However, the black 318is, which generally is slow to warm up but hasn't tried to overheat for over a year, barely got its temp gauge needle out of the blue last night on a three-mile drive, and yesterday its heater also blew air that fluctuated from cold to warm, all day long (100 miles), just like the red car was doing.

More questions: Maybe it is time for the old cardboard-in-front-of-the-radiator trick? Could that strange bypass valve many of us have between the heater hoses be part of the problem? Does removing the hose nightmare expedite bleeding? Will I ever learn how to bleed these engines?
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I got it bled OK.
« Reply #138 on: December 15, 2009, 02:04:41 PM »
First, I cracked the radiator cap while still warm (not hot). I could hear a lot of gurgling from alongside the engine on the driver's side. Coolant filled the expansion reservoir to overflowing, which then stopped when I opened the bleed screw. Obviously there were trapped air bubbles.

Next, mostly out of curiosity, I confirmed that the heater core had no blockage by removing both heater hoses from firewall and using a length of hose to blow air through heater core. By the way, the heater valve default seems to be open for this red car (old p/n 64111386707), as the valve is broken and won't close when the temp control knob is turned to "blue. The default is also open (that is, with no 12V power) for a used valve I picked up at the boneyard a few months ago. (This is opposite to that reported in post #74, above).

Third, as I describe in my previous post, I disconnected the upper radiator hose from the radiator, pointed the open end skyward, and with radiator cap and bleed screw removed, filled the open end of the upper hose until I could see coolant. Then I squeezed the lower hose repeatedly. I filled the upper radiator hose to the brim and reconnected it to the radiator. I filled the expansion tank to the brim and followed purcell's procedure (cap and bleed screw still open), started the engine, warmed it up, and revved it to 2000 or so rpms for several minutes while my wife watched the temperature gauge. The coolant level dropped nearly to the kalt line. While still revving the engine, I closed both the bleed screw and reinstalled the radiator cap. (Whenever I would stop revving the engine the coolant level in the expansion tank would rapidly rise, threatening to overflow.)

The next time I change and refill the coolant I plan to also disconnect the lower radiator hose and fill it, according to one of the suggestions earlier in this thread. Maybe that will eliminate the need to repeatedly squeeze the lower hose.
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Thermostat and Coolant Bleeding Issues
« Reply #139 on: December 15, 2009, 09:41:13 PM »
wow that was quite the essay!  I hope everything works out!  my cooling system seems to be working perfectly fine now, except the blower motor started developing a nasty squeak, so, time to replace that!