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« on: April 21, 2009, 10:56:13 PM »
im considering having a set of cams reground for my DD. not looking to go too too radical but want more than the stock cams have to offer. what specs would you recomend?  valvetrain,injectors,FPR and exhaust will be upgraded as well.
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2009, 01:34:11 AM »
what are the options presented to you, as well as prices?
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2009, 10:57:43 PM »
$500-800 range. was thinking delta or a company in ohio that the name excapes me at the moment.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2009, 11:56:56 PM »
I can say I like my Delta's.  Came with my motor... I can get you the specs on my cams if you like, I have all the cam spec sheets from the PO when I bought the motor/trans.  Dyno'd 135.5rwhp, with other mods of course.


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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 12:30:40 AM »
that would be a big help.

 im doing air and fuel upgrades so i figured i might as well throw something else in thats gonna make the most of the other mods.  so far mods include dinan chip,custom cold air intake. ive got injectors ,adjustable FPR exhaust is built,just havnt decided on a muffler yet. im thinking billy boat or supersprint. it pulls hard the way it is but im sure the stock valve train leaves much to be desired lol
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 11:35:17 AM »
I would like to know too, I've got a chip and am doing a rebuild right now. Looking for decent performance with no low-end loss, not looking to upgrade anything else.

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 11:45:43 PM »
I'm interested also. Just picked up a set of stock cams to send to Delta. I've been thinking of just mirroring the schrick 256/256 setup. Reading online and a couple quick emails with VAC, anything much more than 256 requires additional fuel tuning according to responses. Anyone running higher profile, or have additional input?

Also have to go in are
E.A.T. chip for 93 octane
Ford blue tops 24# injectors

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 09:26:16 AM »
I had some custom cams ground for my stroker from the stock ones which are more aggressive than the Schricks. By that I mean they are more radical than Schricks with less duration at say .050" where mine are 222 degrees. Mine are 250/250 with 10.3mm lift. I chose a profile without having to weld up the cam.  Basically, I cut a 250/250 but for better comparisons, I would recommend looking at duration of lift above 0.050" or greater where flow starts to occur.  My cam registers 222 degrees of duration at 0.050" lift versus the Schrick 256's 215 degrees and the MM 258's 224 degrees.  I want to run this 250/250 combo to get the most powerband out of the car without having to weld up and nitride the cam. So, I decided to mate a 250/250 combo to give me a very strong low and mid-range powerband but yet let me pull strong to about 7500rpm. This cam set will make it so you don't have to always drive like an a1$hole to feel fast, hahahahahahaha!
 
I also come from the E30M3 world and am really confused about numerous posts stating that you think it's ok to just put in Bigger inj's without any tuning change. This is completely new to me. Throwing in the Schricks and just running the car with a Mark D or Jim C chip will "probably" work fine since the stockers run about 204cc's if they are in perfect working condition. Putting in Bigger inj's and not change the fueling maps on a Mark D or Jim C chip is ?? I don't know what.....I think changing injectors that go from 204cc to 214cc is not much but 24#'s, that is like 250cc's. Ah, big difference! Mark would have to cut you a custom chip to run the larger inj's.  If not, you will wash down your cylinders, weaken your oil, etc... I change my synthetic oil in my M3 after every 1-2 events depending on if it's a 2 or 3 day'er (NO more than 4 days) because I run Alpha-N tuned for the track. That's what?...8 hours. Pricey eh? But Safe!
Call Mark and ask him what he thinks about running 24#'s on his chip for a stock motor. I'd be interested in knowing what he said. There might be some compensation built into the computer, but not that much.

I've built my E30M3 S14 to around 290-300hp and used that knowledge while building my M42 Stroker. Hopefully to be in the car and running very  shortly:-)

~Ralph

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 11:29:09 AM »
Ralph
Thanks for the input, and exactly what I'm looking for. 250/250 with 10.3mm lift would fit the bill. I'd rather keep the meat in usable rev range.
Are you also a member?
http://www.s14.net
http://www.s14power.com
My M3 is hardly stock now either, and it's very addicting.
 
Far as the mustang injectors go it's a common mod for the M42. Mainly to gain atomization of fuel using multiple pintle nose. Most notice a nice boost in response.

Some have claimed with 256/256 schrick, mustang injectors, and chip can make 140rwhp.

My end goal is a mini M3, and I'd say that'll do it for me.

http://m42club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233&page=8
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 01:16:09 PM »
I am a member of both of them.  Yeah my E30M3 hasn't been street legal in many years. At 2400#'s it's like a go-kart:-)

Here is a quote from that link by Wizard:
Quote from: Wizard;85190
Looks like some conflicting flow rates on these...Nevertheless they still work on fairly stock m42..(COP kit, K&N, fan delete, chipped)

0-280-155-715
LBS/HR 22.45
CC/MIN 235.9
GRAMS 169.7
PSI 43.5
BAR 3

I would love to see Wizard's AFR's with those inj's.  I have these in my E36M3 with Euro HFM, CAI, making about 275HP and I can even add cams and make 300HP with these.  I can't believe that these function properly in a M42 with an off the shelf chip and K&N filter:-/

I could be completely wrong but my guess is that he is entirely too rich especially if it's only a street car.

Send me a PM autox320.....

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2010, 03:24:23 PM »
Correct the 24# are the limit and may be excessive. Your guess is mine as well without enough details. The 24s were free from my uncle who's a long time ford mech :). I also have a more realistic 19# set from FIVE O Motorsport

Probably throw in a NGK AFX as in my M3 to check AFR's.

I'm(should say girlfriend since shes doing the work lol)...so she's nowhere near the install of engine parts yet. This is her new corner queen. The rear is puked all over the garage for suspension and brake overhaul. Just obtained a spare set of stock cams and plan to call delta cams tomorrow.

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2010, 07:22:49 PM »
I've had doubts about injector swaps since I stumbled upon the conversation here. Injectors, cold air intakes, individual throttle bodies, intake plenum swapping.. it all seems like bad Rice tuning to me. I challenge someone to produce before and after dyno numbers showing usable, measurable gains as a result of these driveway engineered mods. Perhaps people in search of big power from a naturally aspirated M42 ought to study the air/fuel and camshaft/valve train specs of the S42 and use them as a reference point?
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