M42 Turbo Manifold

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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2006, 02:23:21 PM »
Maybe EuroNation could be of help. Per his post:

"On a good note though... I've only been into BMWs for a little over a week and we're already capable of chipping ECUs. If anyone needs any custom mapping, rev limiters, etc I'll probably be offering them at EXCELLENT prices just as soon as I have a properly running car to tune with."

I have to confess that in over 45 years of designing, building, and setting up competition cars, my experience with motors is limited to following the instructions and advice of the motor builders. I built a small block Chevrolet in 1962 and haven't been inside a motor since.
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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2006, 08:56:36 PM »
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Maybe EuroNation could be of help. Per his post:
 
"On a good note though... I've only been into BMWs for a little over a week and we're already capable of chipping ECUs. If anyone needs any custom mapping, rev limiters, etc I'll probably be offering them at EXCELLENT prices just as soon as I have a properly running car to tune with."
 
I have to confess that in over 45 years of designing, building, and setting up competition cars, my experience with motors is limited to following the instructions and advice of the motor builders. I built a small block Chevrolet in 1962 and haven't been inside a motor since.
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and look at my post right below that one.  He doesn't want to help right now.  Ohh well
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2006, 02:49:55 PM »
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Yeah, I suppose knock sensors would be of some help :D .  The E36 uses the DISA manifold though, so I would imagine that the ECU is programmed to deal with:
a) controlling it
b) is tuned for the two distinctly different running modes.  The fuel and spark maps are likely quite different than ours (with pieces of maps for the two different intake states...determined by RPM I believe).

There may even be feedback to the ECU to tell it if the internal flap has malfunctioned, so it may 'freak out' if there is not a flap connected at all.

Being tuned for the E36 manifold, just getting it running drivably with an E30 manifold (no turbo even) would be interesting.  If you actually do try this, keep us posted.  For your sake I hope am wrong if you do all that work!  Maybe by then I will have finished cracking the 175 EPROM and some tuning can be played with.


well the dasc completly gets rid of the factory manifolds and it seems to run fine.

Would using the e30 chip with the e36 computer lose the functions of the knock sensors?
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2006, 04:59:58 PM »
Heh now there is a good question.  I heard RUMOURS that the E30 chip had knock sensor functionality programmed in, but the Motronic 175 did not have the inputs wired.  The E36 uses a Motronic 175.2, as dubbed by others, so perhaps it just had the components on the PCB for the knock input.  I really cannot confirl this right now though, but who knows!?
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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2006, 11:29:49 AM »
i am very interested in a stock flipped manifold......i am wanting to run a dsm 14b or 16g turbo, what would i have to do make these manifolds work for that....anyways keep me posted on price and how i can get my hands on a manifold
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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2006, 02:39:56 PM »
Well, I can help out with making flanges since I have a mill. Just get me the dimensions for T3/T4/whatever ones you need.  Cost would not be too too high, but stainless is not cheap, and neither are the end mills that cut it.  Flanges wouldn't be $10 I guess is what I am saying, but I'll know after I see a drawing!
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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2006, 10:14:35 AM »
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and look at my post right below that one.  He doesn't want to help right now.  Ohh well


I'll have to talk to my friend that I'm working on this chipping project with. We should be able to do it. He's the man behind the coding, scaler values, map hunting, etc. I'm the guy with the car, the tuning skill and the idea.

Setting up for larger injectors, a timing pull, and a fat torque curve would be pretty easy but it's hard enough to do it here at home without a romulator... looking at logs, modding the map, pulling the chip, flashing it, putting it back in. Think about how hard that would be if every time we changed the fuel numbers two points or took three degrees of timing out of it we had to ship the chip cross country :o

Knock sensors... really handy to have but I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to do a wiring swap for them. The problem with knock sensors and timing pull is that in order for them to work it has to knock. Setting the timing map right in the first place is a better idea. If you're really concerned pick up a Knocksense

For the manifold, in VW applications I've used logs and tubular. Tubular has about a 20-30hp advantage at about 300-350hp which is highly depandant on how nice or bad each manifold is and what kind of engine we're working with. That said... when I get this BMW turbo thing figured out I'm probably going to offer a few kits. Stage 1 and 2 would almost certainly be using a log manifold since I see no glaring need for anything more at ~175-225hp.
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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2006, 12:24:03 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2006, 03:44:02 PM »
HUMBLE HELPFUL ADVICE = USE S.S. T321 TUBING OR A NI-RESIST HI NICKEL CASTING , WITH PRESSURE PROOF SLIP JOINTS, ALSO WHEN YOU SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF BLOWER , GIVE IT ROOM TO MOVE-GROW A 1/4 INCH IN LENGTH ,321 IS AN AIRCRAFT S. S. EXHAUST GRADE ALLOYED WITH TITANIUM , T304 IS WHAT THEY USE FOR THE TOILETS
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I've never heard anything about the air bags. What's the deal? Sorry about the off topic post.
As to manifolds, cracked welds every year seems a bit much. Sounds like a fabbed to spec stainless with some support to the block maybe the way to go from a reliability standpoint. Sometimes the more expensive one is cheaper in the long run. True if you're redoing a flipped stock header every year.
"Cheap at any price!" has two meanings and both probably apply here.
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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2006, 12:07:15 AM »
The final design is coming together for the manifold and I am talking to a company that we all know and love to hopefully make a turbo chip for us.  
 
I will do a write-up when I am done with the project for you all.  I am tossing the idea of selling a "starter kit".  It would include a manifold, chip, COP upgrade?, piping?, fmic? who knows.
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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2006, 08:14:30 AM »
Just trying to get to know the car.  BUT, in FL I would like to turbo my a/c.:cool:
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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2006, 08:58:48 PM »
well the flipped manifold looks very promising. Its basically headers. The turbo manifold will be in the way of one or your AC lines, no other ac components. You could either remove the AC or move that line.
 
Mine is being made right now and I'll post pics when I get it back.  This setup should be effiecient and not cost very much.  Best of Both worlds.  A+ for BMW on this manifold.  
 
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« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2006, 06:18:47 PM »
This sounds great.. It'd be super badass if you could offer a package with manifold, chip, etc etc, and then let us know exactly what we needed otherwise to get our setup up and running.. I'm definatly interested, and I'm down with the flipped as long as the quality is good, and it won't crack in 3,000 miles
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« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2006, 06:27:58 PM »
its actually looking like we don't need to shorten it to make it fit.  Whick means only flipping, redrilling the mounting holes, and then using an adapter from manifold to turbo.  I'm hoping that works out b/c it would be really easy and very sturdy ;)
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2006, 10:06:45 AM »
would a flipped and modified manifold hold up to the weight and heat of the turbo wihtout cracking?  I know most turbo manifolds are made out of a lot thicker steel than used on the stock header
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