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Engine failure due to pan gasket shift/bolt loss (e30 only)
« Reply #105 on: January 03, 2009, 12:16:33 AM »
so you are saying my M42 in my 1993 e36 will probably not have this issue?
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« Reply #106 on: January 25, 2009, 10:38:50 PM »
Pulled mine today.

ALL 6 bolts in the pan!

Pan had a small crack just behind the drain bolt too.

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« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2009, 01:32:11 PM »
Quote from: sheepdog;6905
From what I have seen there are 2 common oil failures on 318's.

The first is the pan gasket shifting as describved above.


The second is the timing chain (and/or rollers) self destructing and damaging the oil pump housing, which is what happenned to BMWman91 and myself. I suspect it has to do with putting a new tensioner in with a severly worn chain. When i get more info I will post a guide to this issue as well.


You can include me as well.  My Timing chain just broke.  I will be pulling the head this W/E, but from what i am reading the motor is basically toast...Any advice?

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« Reply #108 on: February 08, 2009, 11:03:23 AM »
guys! im doing this repair right now found no bolts but still wanted to be sure everything was fine so i dropped the lower pan, removed all bolts from the upper pan except the ones that are held to the transmission bellhousing.(not the 2 bolts that are reachable by the bellhousing). you know, those wierd bolt heads, torx like? i just cant remove those bit*hes, so i guess i have to cut them. how did you guys do it?

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« Reply #109 on: February 08, 2009, 12:07:05 PM »
Quote from: SnPaC;65620
You can include me as well.  My Timing chain just broke.  I will be pulling the head this W/E, but from what i am reading the motor is basically toast...Any advice?


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guys! im doing this repair right now found no bolts but still wanted to be sure everything was fine so i dropped the lower pan, removed all bolts from the upper pan except the ones that are held to the transmission bellhousing.(not the 2 bolts that are reachable by the bellhousing). you know, those wierd bolt heads, torx like? i just cant remove those bit*hes, so i guess i have to cut them. how did you guys do it?


Did you round them off or do you not have the right sockets to get them off? They're external torx bolts, and they sell a cheap set of sockets for them at AutoZone.

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« Reply #110 on: February 08, 2009, 12:28:32 PM »
Quote from: SnPaC;65620
You can include me as well.  My Timing chain just broke.  I will be pulling the head this W/E, but from what i am reading the motor is basically toast...Any advice?




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Engine failure due to pan gasket shift/bolt loss (e30 only)
« Reply #111 on: February 08, 2009, 02:45:53 PM »
As soon as the weather gets a bit better over here in the UK I will be getting under the car and going to have a look
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« Reply #112 on: February 10, 2009, 03:38:18 PM »
The 2 bellhousing bolts are a real bitch, I was sure I would round them but at the last moment that came out. I soaked them with some PB a few times that seemed to help.



As for options...
A bigger motor WILL change the dynamics of the car. There is no way around this as the e30 was designed for a lightweight 4cyl engine. E36 was deigned for a 6, so it is better to go that route with those. After lots of research I still recommend the same 2 engines I did a while back for anyone doing a swap. Keep in mind, no swap is simple, but if you are going to do it, make it cheaper and one with readily available parts if you plan the car to be more of a driver than a show car. A BMW motor is all nice and good for prestige, but parts for the swap can cost a fortune and you are VERY limited as to what you can do with the motor and what to pick from. The two engines I recomend are the Ford Duratech from the Ranger and the GM Ecotech. The Duratech is almost the exact same weight as our motor and perfomance mods are abundant. You can use the Focus motor (better intake) but you will likely the Ranger trans/bellhousing, these parts may be available on other Ford vehicles. The Ecotech, you need the bellhousing from the Sky or Solstice, or an aftermarket one (about $500). An alternative is a few of the Mazda/Kia(?) motors, for ideas on this, see what they are doing with Miatas.

The think to remember is our motor weighs around 250 pounds and the front cylinder sits over the front axle, and we use somewhat slim tires and wheels. Weight up front, especially in front of the axle will effect how the car handles. How much and how important that is, is up to you. The motors I listed above will keep things almost identical and perfomance mods are cheap, plentiful and well documented. GM has a pdf on their site on how to get 1000hp from the Ecotech (not cheap!) but even still, as Febi's car has proven, 200+/- hp in an e30 chassis makes for a HELL of a car. That is not asking that much from any of the motors listed.
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Engine failure due to pan gasket shift/bolt loss (e30 only)
« Reply #113 on: August 23, 2009, 04:47:30 AM »
Hi!

Yesterday, I did check my oil pan and guess what I found...






Pretty scary isn't it?
The car has 220500km (136780 miles) on the clock.

I also found this, can anyone tell me what this could be?




Here is my 318is, she's glad to be cured from this threat.

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« Reply #114 on: August 30, 2009, 10:46:20 PM »
Woo hoo! I had two in mine! Lower pan and gasket came off nice and clean. Tomorrow she gets some gas and se if she'll start.

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Engine failure due to pan gasket shift/bolt loss (e30 only)
« Reply #115 on: October 14, 2009, 03:13:40 PM »
Can I revive this one a bit?

So I have a small oil leak in mine.  The PO had the chain, guides, and tensioner replaced, but I dunno about the oil pan gaskets.  I was under the car just inspecting and it looks like it is not coming from the lower pan, but I can' see where.

It's not the head but I'm pretty sure it's at the front of the motor.  Could what is described in this thread be the source?

I smell oil after I've driven it and I've just assumed it was the small amount that has leaked hitting something hot.  Car runs perfect and no oil pressure light at all.

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Engine failure due to pan gasket shift/bolt loss (e30 only)
« Reply #116 on: October 14, 2009, 09:16:22 PM »
The main seal is a weak point, but it was probably replaced with the chain case R&R.  I'd guess it's the oil filter o-ring & gasket.  If you smell warm oil after a long trip it's likely the cam cover gasket leaking onto the exhaust manifold.

I've given up on tracking down oil leaks...I'm not sure how BMW let this one off the drawing board...

However, I have an M20B25 that's rock solid but it's nowhere near as fun to drive as the M42.

I have this theory that BMW had a delegation from Alfa Romeo come up & help them out on the E30 M42.  It's not nearly as stodgy as the rest of BMW's lineup...and the excitement of wondering if you'll make it to your destination...priceless!
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Engine failure due to pan gasket shift/bolt loss (e30 only)
« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2009, 01:33:30 AM »
Quote from: DesktopDave;79907
The main seal is a weak point, but it was probably replaced with the chain case R&R.  I'd guess it's the oil filter o-ring & gasket.  If you smell warm oil after a long trip it's likely the cam cover gasket leaking onto the exhaust manifold.


Do you just mean the valve cover?  I think it's golden, but will double check.

When you say the oil filter O Ring, do you mean the one internal to the housing?

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« Reply #118 on: October 15, 2009, 09:24:26 AM »
Quote from: longtallsally;79913
Do you just mean the valve cover?  I think it's golden, but will double check.

When you say the oil filter O Ring, do you mean the one internal to the housing?


Yup - the one that seals the housing to the block, 8 & 9 in this RealOEM diagram.
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« Reply #119 on: October 15, 2009, 02:20:39 PM »
Quote from: DocKeR;77285

I also found this, can anyone tell me what this could be?


chain guide washer as I remember.
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