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Engine failure due to pan gasket shift/bolt loss (e30 only)
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2008, 05:07:54 PM »
Is there a torque sequence to follow if I replace the lower oil pan gasket ?
« Last Edit: April 29, 2008, 05:12:46 PM by Alexx »

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« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2008, 07:01:13 AM »
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scarrrryyyyy, too bad i didn't see this weeks ago, when i did the oil change.  mine has 99,600 miles on it and i've put about maybe 30 miles on the oil change....i hope this job can hold off until i drive it 3,000 miles so i dnt have to waste my new oil.  but theres no use in hiding it, this topic has scared the $h1t out of me :eek:


hehehe.. you can drain your oil in a tank, have a look on this bolts and then refill the engine again...!!no waist..
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« Reply #77 on: May 23, 2008, 08:59:48 AM »
I just did the job last night when I changed my oil for the first time (I just got the car a week ago). I was actually surprised to see ALL upper pan bolts still in place! Still, I removed the three bolts around the oil pickup tube and Loctite'ed them and retorqued them, then retorqued (without Loctite) the remaining bolts. I probably should have removed and Loctite'ed all of the bolts, but it was very late and I was bone tired and just wanted to finish. Plus I figured that if the bolts have stayed in for 166k+ miles, they would probably be fine :)

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Is there a torque sequence to follow if I replace the lower oil pan gasket ?


If there is, it really makes no sense. The pan is under no particular stress and the bolts have very low torque on them, so I see no need. Just skip around on opposite sides of the pan when you re-torque, that's what I did.

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« Reply #78 on: May 23, 2008, 12:32:46 PM »
I know this thread is regarding the oil pan bolts being lose, but I have heard a few of you mention finding pieces of timing guide components in your oil pan.

Well not to scare you or anything but.......

I am rebuilding a engine for a chap who lost the chain guide, a chunk of it got into the crank gear, rolled over it, slipped the chain, bent all 8 intake valves and seized the motor.

See the square piece with the big teeth marks in it?


Final result, 8 bent intake valves.
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« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2008, 03:00:27 PM »
ouch
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« Reply #80 on: June 04, 2008, 01:55:02 PM »
i pulled my lower pan last week and i didnt have any bolts in my pan. they were all tight but a little under spec.

but i found that my pan is cracked in 2 different spots:mad:

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« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2008, 02:49:58 PM »
Thank you sheepdog for this info, it really has been helpful. You are pretty good about these things. I apologize in advance for being a newbie. I'm 40-something, work part-time at a body shop, have been doing all my own mechanical repairs since high school.

I bought a 1991 318ic from craigslist. Paid $450 for the car knowing the top was bad and some accident damage (need a passenger side door+partial qtr, anyone?)
Was told it ran fine, but surprise, surprise, when the car was delivered from Cali to PA, there's the awful diesel clacking racket and the oil pressure light stays on. The car DOES run and idle, does not miss out the exhaust. Doesn't run too well under load though. No water in the oil, etc. There's a lot of oil around the oil pans, upper an lower, but the oil level on dipstick is fine. Perhaps someone knew there was a problem and kept driving it? Miles are about 120K.
OK, Say I pull the lower pan, and worst case, the upper pan shifted, the oil pump got fried. I'm pretty good at finding used parts, we have a few "pull ur parts" here, I can find a replacement lower chain cover (since the one in there is probably cracked like yours was) and replace all the timing chain parts with new. I can replace the oil pan gaskets because I suspect something shifted, thus all the oil over the pans.
Since the chain didn't break, can this engine be revived and give me good service? Or should I just scrap it and try to find a new one?
Any checks I can perform to tell before I rip into it?

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« Reply #82 on: June 11, 2008, 12:09:50 AM »
You can rebuild the timing assembly and get it to last a very long time, possibly. The oil light is not a good thing (obviously).

The only way to know the condition is pull the valve cover and check the cam sprockets. Pull a main cap, and do a leakdown test.

You may be better off finding a used motor.
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« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2008, 12:33:54 AM »
Sounds like the odds are not in my favor. Well, at least the chain isn't broken.
I'll try compression and leak down tests and go from there. It could be worse, I suppose.

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« Reply #84 on: June 13, 2008, 01:11:51 PM »
FYI I have a 91 (duh) with 130k on it.  I got a new gasket and went ahead and replaced the bolts around the oil pan as well as the drain plug.  I opened mine up and everything felt great.  No bolts or anything unusual in the pan, and the oil still looked nice and clear.  I went ahead and torqued them a little bit on each bolt for good measure, but nothing loose.  Whew!
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« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2008, 01:34:42 PM »
So I bought an m42 car this last Wednesday everything checked out okay except for an oil leak coming from the upper oil pan bolts, (no big deal) the top of the block was dry.  On my way home from work Thursday night the oil pressure light came on so I checked the oil and it was only 1/8 from full, I topped it off just to be sure, the oil light was still on.  So I did some reading an found this thread.  So I pulled my lower pan to check the upper pan bolts, they were not to spec but seemed to be tight enough to hold the gasket in place.
  So now here is my question... What is this in my lower pan.  Obviously the dime is there for size reference although looking back at all the money I have dumped into my engines it would be nice to open them up and get it back out. :)
So what is it??
« Last Edit: June 20, 2008, 01:41:44 PM by x5driver »

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« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2008, 01:56:16 PM »
pieces of your timing chain

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« Reply #87 on: June 21, 2008, 08:47:14 PM »
Looks like I'm a big winner here. 91 318i with 175,000mi or so on the clock. Had the timing cover profile gasket fail recently and finally got around to fixing it. Got it almost all back together but before I started it I ordered the pan gaskets after reading this thread. Loose bolts and one in the pan. Good looking out gang, looks like my arse is safe for now :D

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« Reply #88 on: June 21, 2008, 10:34:46 PM »
scary....i need to check mine soon!
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« Reply #89 on: August 06, 2008, 04:26:08 PM »
I am doing this today, and was wondering about swapping the bolts out for allen head screws.

Bad idea??