DIY M20 flywheel conversion

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wazzu70

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« Reply #105 on: September 21, 2010, 12:59:53 AM »
My solution:

The first thing to do is use your TDC lock pin before you remove the M42 flywheel and make a mark for TDC on the vibration damper and crank case (or wherever works best for you). This small step will save a lot of headache in the future.



After you remove the M42 flywheel, remove the "spacer ring" from the flywheel using a drill to remove the spot welds. The spacer is on the clutch facing side.



I have heard that some flywheels may not come with this piece, but the one from the M20 is the same thickness. You will have to grind out the center bore though so it can fit on the crankshaft.

One thing to note is that I had to enlarge one of the holes so that it would fit over the flywheel locating pin. As you will notice, the spacer has a large center bore so it is fairly difficult to get the bolts in place properly. Since neither the part from the M42 or the M20 really work so well, I'm thinking about making up some of my own spacers that would be a direct bolt in piece and of the proper thickness (the spacers are about 1mm too thick).

Bolt the flywheel on using stock M20 325i flywheel bolts which are 25mm long. Do NOT use the M20 pacer ring on the front like the factory flywheel had. To install this piece you will need bolts that are 3mm longer. If anyone knows of a bolt approximately 30mm long please let me know.

This part is one that most people find confusing. The M20 starter seemed to have enough room to bolt in physically, but the engagement depth of the bendix gear was different than the M42 starter. Also, I really liked having the threaded casting on the M42 starter and its much smaller/lighter...so I just went with that.

The first thing you need to do is split the case:


Remove the bendix gear section from the starter. If you remove the solenoid you can easily pull out the yoke, but you don't have to. My bolts were all funked up and I could not remove them with an impact hammer so I just spread the yoke and pulled the full bendix assembly out.

The assembly I refer to looks like this, the bendix section is the part with the spring, retainer and actual gear that slides up and down on the shaft:


Other guides will tell you just to switch the M20 section with the M42 section. From my measuring this is incorrect. The M20 section is much taller and the bendix gear will not fully retract into the starter housing. i decided to split the large retainer ring with a grinding wheel to remove the actual bendix gear itself and switch them. I then welded the casing back up and ground it flush.

You can see what I did here:


To remove the bendix gear assembly from the shaft you need to push down (toward the gear) on the ring toward the end. Inside that is a circlip and once that is removed you can separate the gear assembly from the shaft.

Everything should line up nicely now! A nice cheap and easy upgrade!
-Nick
91 E30 M42 with VEMS

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« Reply #106 on: September 21, 2010, 12:37:55 PM »
You should probably state where TDC is located.

The two yellow marks that you have there threw me off for a moment...I thought you may have had them confused but then realized that everything was timed correctly.

My post below shows a bit more detail as to where TDC is...NOTE the RED mark, it needs to be aligned with the arrow.

http://r3vlimited.com/board/showpost.php?p=860864&postcount=13


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« Reply #107 on: September 21, 2010, 10:08:43 PM »
Wow, I didnt even know there was a mark there! Wish I would have known that before and I just would have highlighted that.

Thanks for pointing that out.
-Nick
91 E30 M42 with VEMS

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« Reply #108 on: April 23, 2011, 09:23:11 PM »
Couple of points of clarification.  I have a 1991 E30 318is.  I want to put in an aftermarket lightweight flywheel and clutch.  
In order to do the conversion do I need:
1) 323i or 325i throw out bearing?
2) 12x22mm or 12x28mm Flywheel bolts?
3) Longer slave cylinder rod or stock M42 slave cylinder rod?
4) Which side does the spacer go on (closest to engine or tranny)?
5) Any other parts needed other than 325 starter pinion gear?
6) Is there a writeup on swapping the starter pinion gear?  It looks anything but straight forward.  
7) What is the part number for the pinion gear?

-Scott

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« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2011, 03:55:08 AM »

Spacer drilled off of m42 dual-mass flywheel. You can see the drill points at 12 and 6 o'clock, sorry for blurry pic.




1980 (e21) 323i flywheel which came with its own spacer (wasn't expecting that). Weighs a few pounds less than similar looking 325i flywheel. I used it with a late-model 325i clutch kit but was stupid to pay extra for the 323i throwout bearing. The 325i one is cheaper and shorter, thus closer to OEM engagement.

« Last Edit: November 04, 2013, 09:46:26 PM by PumpItUp »

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« Reply #110 on: June 26, 2011, 02:29:11 PM »
Quote from: sbarton;103282
Couple of points of clarification.  I have a 1991 E30 318is.  I want to put in an aftermarket lightweight flywheel and clutch.  
In order to do the conversion do I need:
1) 323i or 325i throw out bearing?
2) 12x22mm or 12x28mm Flywheel bolts?
3) Longer slave cylinder rod or stock M42 slave cylinder rod?
4) Which side does the spacer go on (closest to engine or tranny)?
5) Any other parts needed other than 325 starter pinion gear?
6) Is there a writeup on swapping the starter pinion gear?  It looks anything but straight forward.  
7) What is the part number for the pinion gear?

-Scott


Scott, I'm a bit confused.  Your list suits the installation of an M20 flywheel and clutch, but you say that you want to put in an aftermarket lightweight flywheel and clutch.  Aftermarket, to me, means an aluminum flywheel, and to my knowledge these are usually tailored to the car.  So, for example, if you are going to purchase a unit made specifically for your M42 and Getrag 240, then most of your list is unnecessary.  I guess perhaps you are thinking of a flywheel made for the M20.  Can you confirm this?
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« Reply #111 on: September 24, 2011, 10:29:26 PM »
There are aftermarket aluminum flywheels for both 318is and m20 e30s (which can be adapted to the 318is if doing the whole starter + clutchkit conversion).

I think m20 aluminum flywheels are lighter, and cheaper (or at least found used sometimes which is near impossible for a 318is one). But aluminum breaks. It's better to lighten a single-mass oem flywheel from 325i/ic or e21 323.

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« Reply #112 on: April 04, 2012, 01:16:54 PM »
So i've been reading up on flywheels for our cars and would love to get a lighter one. A direct fit solution seems to be only from JB @ turner motorsport for ~$630. These are the most expensive of all other E30 lightened flywheels. Even more so than E30 m3's.

Ive been reading through some M20 conversions, and this seems like a viable solution. However, i dont see many people posting their end costs for the entire job, in parts, or whatever.

So, how much cheaper is the M20 swap compared to a direct fit job? If significant then for me its worth it. If only slightly then why bother?

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« Reply #113 on: April 06, 2012, 09:51:56 PM »
Quote from: iamthatis;111666
So i've been reading up on flywheels for our cars and would love to get a lighter one. A direct fit solution seems to be only from JB @ turner motorsport for ~$630. These are the most expensive of all other E30 lightened flywheels. Even more so than E30 m3's.

Ive been reading through some M20 conversions, and this seems like a viable solution. However, i dont see many people posting their end costs for the entire job, in parts, or whatever.

So, how much cheaper is the M20 swap compared to a direct fit job? If significant then for me its worth it. If only slightly then why bother?



The price depends on what flywheel you work with.  If you start with a 13lb flywheel from a '79 323 then it depends on whether you buy this new or used.  I started with a used one for $120, got it resurfaced for $30. If you start with a 325 M20 flywheel and get it machined down to 12 lbs, it might cost you $150.


11221264517     used 323 flywheel       $150
OR
11221264517     new 323 flywheel      $315.95
OR
325 M20 flywheel     used + machining   $150(estimate)
PLUS
21211223174    clutch disk      $84.95
21211223026    pressure plate   $64.95
21511204525    throw-out bearing   $57.95
11221717840    flywheel bolt      $3.95 each x 8
07119901023    pressure plate bolt   $0.95 each x 6
Used starter from ’89 325 (Bosch)     $50


Other parts you might want:

pilot bearing  11211709681  (or11211720310 depends on prod date)  $13.95
rear engine seal 11 14 1 706 785     $10.95
locating dowel 11 11 1 743 118     $1.95
exhaust gasket 18 30 1 711 969     $18.95
exhaust nuts 18 30 1 737 774       $1.50 each x 4

Now, bear in mind that this is not just a lighter flywheel that you are getting, it is also a new upgraded clutch.  You don't get that for your cost of a custom aluminum flywheel.
\'91 318is

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« Reply #114 on: June 09, 2012, 02:50:20 PM »
FWIW I did the Metric Mechanics lightweight flywheel conversion w/ none of that starter change and there was a noticeable difference too.

MM lwfw 11lbs
MM 228mm clutch and pp= 14lb
total= 25lbs

stock dual mass 27lbs
stock 215mm clutch and pp = 12lbs
total= 39lbs


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« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2012, 06:21:46 PM »
Anyone know how different the flywheel on the 320/6 (did we get those in the US? ) is from the 323?

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« Reply #116 on: June 21, 2012, 08:41:18 PM »
Quote from: carguy101;113099
FWIW I did the Metric Mechanics lightweight flywheel conversion w/ none of that starter change and there was a noticeable difference too.

MM lwfw 11lbs
MM 228mm clutch and pp= 14lb
total= 25lbs

stock dual mass 27lbs
stock 215mm clutch and pp = 12lbs
total= 39lbs


How much was the MM setup?

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« Reply #117 on: June 23, 2012, 08:43:38 AM »
Quote from: Petebee;113303
How much was the MM setup?


New it was 900 shipped, but I got it through a friend and paid nowhere near that.


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« Reply #118 on: February 03, 2017, 11:09:42 AM »
Are any of you guys still around? I'm trying to gather parts for this conversion and maybe do a write up in the process so it doesn't have to be asked for again. I'm not positive if anyone came to a conclusion on the best/easiest parts, anyways let me know I'd love to do this.

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« Reply #119 on: February 17, 2017, 07:59:55 AM »
Are any of you guys still around? I'm trying to gather parts for this conversion and maybe do a write up in the process so it doesn't have to be asked for again. I'm not positive if anyone came to a conclusion on the best/easiest parts, anyways let me know I'd love to do this.

I'd like to know as well, nothing has seemed conclusive. I'm planning on doing this soon, and my list is:

M20 Flywheel (Machined down, but that might not be needed with the spacer)
M20 Clutch
M20 Pressure Plate
M20 Starter
M20 TOB (M42 is the same P/N?)
M42 Drilled Out Spacer, between the crank and the flywheel
M20 Flywheel Bolts

Can anyone confirm that this is it?
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 08:03:27 AM by hamann318is »