Author Topic: So who bought a Miller MAF kit? (Read 22194 times)

kowalski · « **Reply #45 on:** May 10, 2007, 11:28:20 AM »

i didnt' say i was going to do it. I just thought it was interesting that they're so desperate for a car that they're willing to fix my car in order to use it as a test car. I'm debating going through with it though...

Alpine003 · « **Reply #46 on:** May 10, 2007, 12:01:39 PM »

Quote from: kowalski;25393

I just thought it was interesting that they're so desperate for a car that they're willing to fix my car in order to use it as a test car.

I try to stay away from companies that uses initial security deposits from others to fund their R&D and also don't even have a car of their own. I would feel much more confident in a company that has already done the R&D on our specific cars that also owns one and has a "finished product" ready to go with proven results. I'm not trying to knock Miller but I think things could've been thought out better.

viper3812 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 10, 2007, 04:09:57 PM »

Anyone else heard from them? So the reason why we don't have them is because there is no car to tune?

kowalski · « **Reply #48 on:** May 10, 2007, 04:15:02 PM »

I'm working out a system to get my car delivered over there. They're going to install it, and tune it. The problem they're experiencing is with cold starts. After that they're going to take it to the dyno, see what it puts down and then give it back to me. They said it will be about 2 weeks that they need the car, and i will post up the dyno sheet and what i think of it on july 1st, which is when i get home from Austria.

As for what apline said, i agree. but i suppose they were trying to keep costs down, and get feedback from someone who isn't associated with them. I've met some satisfied customers of them, and i think everything with this will work out in the end.

dude8383 · « **Reply #49 on:** May 10, 2007, 10:25:33 PM »

Quote from: kowalski;25414

I'm working out a system to get my car delivered over there. They're going to install it, and tune it. The problem they're experiencing is with cold starts. After that they're going to take it to the dyno, see what it puts down and then give it back to me. They said it will be about 2 weeks that they need the car, and i will post up the dyno sheet and what i think of it on july 1st, which is when i get home from Austria.

As for what apline said, i agree. but i suppose they were trying to keep costs down, and get feedback from someone who isn't associated with them. I've met some satisfied customers of them, and i think everything with this will work out in the end.

keep us updated man.

i too think it will work out in the end.

Mike 91 318ic · « **Reply #50 on:** May 11, 2007, 09:33:03 AM »

Don't say I didn't warn you...

Good luck
M

Quote from: kowalski;25414

I'm working out a system to get my car delivered over there. They're going to install it, and tune it. The problem they're experiencing is with cold starts. After that they're going to take it to the dyno, see what it puts down and then give it back to me. They said it will be about 2 weeks that they need the car, and i will post up the dyno sheet and what i think of it on july 1st, which is when i get home from Austria.

As for what apline said, i agree. but i suppose they were trying to keep costs down, and get feedback from someone who isn't associated with them. I've met some satisfied customers of them, and i think everything with this will work out in the end.

kowalski · « **Reply #51 on:** May 11, 2007, 09:40:21 AM »

yeah, my maf harness is already spliced so its not a big deal if they splice into it again. if thats the worst that can happen i'm not very concerned. My friends family knows the owners of miller so i have trust that it should turn out fine. if they blow up my engine... then... that would suck. at least i'd have a damn good reason to rebuild it with the new crank and pistons i have...

viper3812 · « **Reply #52 on:** May 16, 2007, 03:37:29 PM »

bump. Last I've heard was that they were getting a car this past Saturday.

kowalski · « **Reply #53 on:** May 16, 2007, 07:19:28 PM »

that was supposed to be my car. Unfortunately things didn't work out, so its going to be this weekend. however the project manager is going away for a week, so it wont be for a little while yet until results are posted.

Alpine003 · « **Reply #54 on:** May 17, 2007, 12:09:22 AM »

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that was supposed to be my car. Unfortunately things didn't work out, so its going to be this weekend. however the project manager is going away for a week, so it wont be for a little while yet until results are posted.

I find it ironic that people have put money down already on this and it's over a month late while the pm is going to be going on vacation. :rolleyes:

viper3812 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 17, 2007, 02:07:33 AM »

So it won't be for another 2 weeks till they start working on the system? I'm thinking about giving up soon and ask for a refund.

dude8383 · « **Reply #56 on:** May 17, 2007, 10:23:54 AM »

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So it won't be for another 2 weeks till they start working on the system? I'm thinking about giving up soon and ask for a refund.

yeh they seem to be really taking their sweet ass time with this.

Jtuner · « **Reply #57 on:** May 17, 2007, 07:22:30 PM »

Its really a big deal to do this,, like I said, it's taking a potentiometer reading and converting it in to a thermister reading..
AFMs measure air intake flow basically (and this is a very basic statement) but basically on a 1-100 type scale (i'm sure the actual numbers are very different..) A thermister measures temperature, and depending on the car and whichever other inputs there are, it reads the amount of airflow depending on temperature..
Now, in order to accomplish this, one must make a program (more specifically a series of algorithms) that will tell the computer "IF",,, "THEN".... I'm sure they have the programming done, or i would hope they do,, but working out the bugs on this type of system i would imagine could take years.. There was another m42 member that was looking in to this at one point and I believe he must have given up on it.. One there's no real gains,,, maybe better throttle response, but that's about it.......
All in all, I really wouldn't expect this project to be done anytime soon.. they certainly shouldn't have taken pre-orders yet.. Good luck to all who have ordered it!! I hope you preorder for reasons that you've done research on, and not just because it's "cool"... I think if you haven't done your homework, you're gonna be seriously dissappointed with the results... that's my .02 anyway......

Jtuner · « **Reply #58 on:** May 17, 2007, 07:23:07 PM »

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yeh they seem to be really taking their sweet ass time with this.

Its really a big deal to do this,, like I said, it's taking a potentiometer reading and converting it in to a thermister reading..
AFMs measure air intake flow basically (and this is a very basic statement) but basically on a 1-100 type scale (i'm sure the actual numbers are very different..) A thermister measures temperature, and depending on the car and whichever other inputs there are, it reads the amount of airflow depending on temperature..
Now, in order to accomplish this, one must make a program (more specifically a series of algorithms) that will tell the computer "IF",,, "THEN".... I'm sure they have the programming done, or i would hope they do,, but working out the bugs on this type of system i would imagine could take years.. There was another m42 member that was looking in to this at one point and I believe he must have given up on it.. There's no real gains,,, maybe better throttle response, but that's about it.......
All in all, I really wouldn't expect this project to be done anytime soon.. they certainly shouldn't have taken pre-orders yet.. Good luck to all who have ordered it!! I hope you preordered for reasons that you've done research on, and not just because it's "cool", so someone TOLD you you'd get a shit ton of horsepower and torque... I think if you haven't done your homework, you're gonna be seriously dissappointed with the results... that's my .02 anyway......

dude8383 · « **Reply #59 on:** May 17, 2007, 07:57:06 PM »

Well, I can understand that it takes time to develop this, but its not the first time they're tackling a MAF for a BMW. They've made them for several other BMW's.

Oh and yes, I'm not one of those that expects HUGE results. I've done my homework.