M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??

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M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« on: March 08, 2015, 08:01:40 AM »
Hi, I'm from Norway and bought me a Dbilas Dynamic suction to my E36 318IS. But I have trouble fitting and wonder therefore if any of you have done this before or can help me?

Where do the fit the idle actuator motor? On the mainfold and airbox, it is two small plugs two mount the hose from the idle actuator motor?

The fuel lines, ice not easy to mount perfectly. I have tried two bends it, but in gets a twist in the middle. Do you knowwhere i need two bends it?

Do you have any pictures from fitting dbilas intake mainfold on m42b18 engine?

I think possibly That I have Dbilas Dynamic intake mainfold two M44 engine, while I have the M42! What are the differences Dbilas Dynamic intake kit two M44B19 and Dbilas Dynamic intake kit two M42B18?

Here is a picture of my kit:





Best regards - Sinthur.P

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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2015, 04:16:59 AM »
Welcome, Sinthur.

I can't help you too much with your questions, but it's early morning here in the U.S. and I can think of a few knowledgeable people who will probably be along to help after they've had their morning cup of coffee.  :)

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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2015, 01:40:37 PM »
Hi Sinthur,

I can answer you first two questions:

The idle actuator motor is connected between the air box and the throttle bodies. On the lower section of the air box there should be a spigot protruding, this is the inlet path for the idle valve. Connect this spigot to your icv directly via a tube paying attention to the air flow direction arrow on the icv. The outlet of the icv needs to be split in two with a tee piece. This allows for connection to the air inlets under the throttle bodies. Look on the underside and you should see two spigots protruding between cylinder 1-2 and 3-4. Each spigot is internally drilled to supply air to each runner.

The fuel lines are difficult to fit, in order to fit mine I had to modify the fuel rail by giving the attachment spigots a gentle twist upwards to give clearance. I then deleted the hard lines on the block and replaced them with rubber tubing back to the fuel filter and return lines. Ensure these lines are secure and preferably protected with a stainless braid to avoid wear.

I do not know the difference between m42 and m44 kits but suspect its minor if anything.


There are pics in the links in my signature which may help also

Cheers
Matt

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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2015, 05:12:52 PM »
Welcome, Sinthur.

I can't help you too much with your questions, but it's early morning here in the U.S. and I can think of a few knowledgeable people who will probably be along to help after they've had their morning cup of coffee.  :)

Thanks for the reply!

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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2015, 05:48:05 PM »
Hi Sinthur,

I can answer you first two questions:

The idle actuator motor is connected between the air box and the throttle bodies. On the lower section of the air box there should be a spigot protruding, this is the inlet path for the idle valve. Connect this spigot to your icv directly via a tube paying attention to the air flow direction arrow on the icv. The outlet of the icv needs to be split in two with a tee piece. This allows for connection to the air inlets under the throttle bodies. Look on the underside and you should see two spigots protruding between cylinder 1-2 and 3-4. Each spigot is internally drilled to supply air to each runner.

The fuel lines are difficult to fit, in order to fit mine I had to modify the fuel rail by giving the attachment spigots a gentle twist upwards to give clearance. I then deleted the hard lines on the block and replaced them with rubber tubing back to the fuel filter and return lines. Ensure these lines are secure and preferably protected with a stainless braid to avoid wear.

I do not know the difference between m42 and m44 kits but suspect its minor if anything.


There are pics in the links in my signature which may help also

Cheers
Matt

Thank you for giving me a good answer!

I still have a few questions:

-On this plug I should connect the hose from the valve cove, right ?




-On this plug i should connect the hose to the icv, right   ?  But it is to small to fit bolt on ? Should buy i custom hose that will fit ? A hose with 16mm to 24mm ?


-ICV



-I managed to bend to gasoline pipes, but I must correct the out slightly.


-Is this the to plugs that i should fit the output hose from the ICV ? What is the small plug to the right with no hoses on ? What should i fit on that one ?


-What is this hoses and the metal modul ? Do i need them ?





-Which hoses should i put on the plugs (there are four plugs) ?


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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2015, 06:36:53 PM »
Have answered in red below.

-On this plug I should connect the hose from the valve cove, right ?
 Yes the 16mm is for the valve cover breather

-On this plug i should connect the hose to the icv, right   ?  But it is to small to fit bolt on ? Should buy i custom hose that will fit ? A hose with 16mm to 24mm ?
You mean 12.5mm to 24mm,  I had to go to my local parts store to adapt something to make up the size difference.

-I managed to bend to gasoline pipes, but I must correct the out slightly.
BE careful here. The pipe appears crushed and may not seal well. Before you start the engine monitor this area for fuel leaks when fuel pressure is built up and then keep an eye on it after start.

-Is this the to plugs that i should fit the output hose from the ICV ? What is the small plug to the right with no hoses on ? What should i fit on that one ?
Yes correct. The spigot on the right is for your brake booster.

-What is this hoses and the metal modul ? Do i need them ?
I bought my kit from a member on this forum and did not include the metal module. It appears to be a distribution block but to what I do not know. I think this can be deleted without issue as I do not have one

-Which hoses should i put on the plugs (there are four plugs) ?
Connect one to your fuel pressure regulator and leave the remainder blanked off. If you find pressure is unstable due to intake pulses you can link all four together to smooth the signal. I did this by default but suspect it is not reqired


Cheers
Matt
« Last Edit: March 09, 2015, 06:39:20 PM by MLM »

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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2015, 07:50:06 PM »
How exciting!
I'd be so stoked about doing this I would have a hard time sleeping?!

As for the bent fuel rail pipe, if it were me, I'd be looking for a replacement because that does not instill confidence... :)

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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 01:22:23 PM »
Have answered in red below.

-On this plug I should connect the hose from the valve cove, right ?
 Yes the 16mm is for the valve cover breather

-On this plug i should connect the hose to the icv, right   ?  But it is to small to fit bolt on ? Should buy i custom hose that will fit ? A hose with 16mm to 24mm ?
You mean 12.5mm to 24mm,  I had to go to my local parts store to adapt something to make up the size difference.

-I managed to bend to gasoline pipes, but I must correct the out slightly.
BE careful here. The pipe appears crushed and may not seal well. Before you start the engine monitor this area for fuel leaks when fuel pressure is built up and then keep an eye on it after start.

-Is this the to plugs that i should fit the output hose from the ICV ? What is the small plug to the right with no hoses on ? What should i fit on that one ?
Yes correct. The spigot on the right is for your brake booster.

-What is this hoses and the metal modul ? Do i need them ?
I bought my kit from a member on this forum and did not include the metal module. It appears to be a distribution block but to what I do not know. I think this can be deleted without issue as I do not have one

-Which hoses should i put on the plugs (there are four plugs) ?
Connect one to your fuel pressure regulator and leave the remainder blanked off. If you find pressure is unstable due to intake pulses you can link all four together to smooth the signal. I did this by default but suspect it is not reqired


Cheers
Matt

You mean 12.5mm to 24mm,  I had to go to my local parts store to adapt something to make up the size difference.

*Yes  i mean 12.5mm! I think i know about i shop local that sell adapters.

BE careful here. The pipe appears crushed and may not seal well. Before you start the engine monitor this area for fuel leaks when fuel pressure is built up and then keep an eye on it after start.

*I'll do it! Maybe I buy a new gasoline line and trying to bend a little more careful.

Yes correct. The spigot on the right is for your brake booster.

*Okey!

I bought my kit from a member on this forum and did not include the metal module. It appears to be a distribution block but to what I do not know. I think this can be deleted without issue as I do not have one

Good ! I would try without!

Connect one to your fuel pressure regulator and leave the remainder blanked off. If you find pressure is unstable due to intake pulses you can link all four together to smooth the signal. I did this by default but suspect it is not reqired

Okey, i would try with one first!

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The spacer to the fuel injections, how do i get them 100% sealed ? With some tube gasket between ? 




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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2015, 01:25:43 PM »
How exciting!
I'd be so stoked about doing this I would have a hard time sleeping?!

As for the bent fuel rail pipe, if it were me, I'd be looking for a replacement because that does not instill confidence... :)

Yes, I am very excited! I am looking for a new fuel rail pipe, so I can bend a little more careful! :)

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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2015, 04:05:28 PM »
Hope you get it all figured out santho. Just wondering but dosnt the kit come with instructions? Or are they vague and hard to follow?
When you get her all bolted up make sure to take pics and or vids!! Would love to see her in action.
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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2015, 05:17:53 PM »
OK....I did mine a bit differently because of my set up but here is the basic set up directly from Dbilas.

Cheers,
~Ralph

FITTING INSTRUCTIONS
 
db- Individual Throttle Injector System
 
BMW 318is

 
   1   Disconnect the battery and drain the coolant.

   2   Disconnect and mark the fuel connection, vacuum hose and other connections.
Warning: fuel lead is under pressure!

   3   Dismantle the standard fuel injection and connect the following parts to the db- system: throttle valve switch, idle actuation motor, brake booster hose connection and injection outlet guide rail. 
Please notice: on E36, file the injection outlet bores 4 mm closer to each other, so that the outlet guide rail can be fastened to the inlet manifold. On E30 and E36, bend the fuel injection of the outlet guide rail as seen on the picture, so that the fuel lead can be installed. Insert a 5 mm spike into the connections, so that they won`t get pressed shut. 

   4   Install the throttles on the intake manifold. Screw to the cylinder head ( not using the air collector or rubbers). (use new sealer)

   5   Carefully insert the injection outlet guide rail into the injection outlet bore (grease well first) and screw shut with the intended Allen screw. 

   6   fasten the idle actuation motor holder including the rubber to the bottom of the  throttle stud bolt.

   7   Connect the fuel injection to the injection outlet guide rail. 
4mm- vacuum connection with T- piece: connect the hose of the fuel pressure regulator with the T- piece and hose of the fuel evaporation control valve.

   8   Displace the dipstick using the provided holder.

   9   On vehicles with preheating of the standard throttle body, connect the affected hoses with the 8mm hose. 

   10   Connect the fuel evaporation control valve and the connection wires/ hoses like the standards.

   11   Supply the idle actuation motor with 22mm connection rubbers, db- T- piece and reduction 22 à 12 mm and place in retaining rubber. Fix 10 mm hoses on T- piece and reducer and connect. 

   12   Put the air collector up with rubbers and hose brackets and connect to air pressure measure instrument ( make sure it is sealed tight). 
Please notice: with E36 the cable duct might have to be transferred.

   13   Connect the air collector and the valve lid with the oil damper hose.

   14   Make sure that the throttles open and close fully and that all connectors and hoses are positioned correctly. 
Fill coolant, connect the battery, start the engine and synchronise the throttles.

Suitable to the throttle body injector system and for using the car on street we recommend a camshaft set with 262°.
 
For further questions do not hesitate to contact us. 

Best regards,

mail@dbilas-dynamic.de
dbilas dynamic
Maybachstr. 3
63322 Rödermark
Tel:+49(0)6074-93328
Fax:+49(0)6074-93316
 
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Re: M42 - URGENCY -I Need help to fitt Dbilas Dynamic Itb ??
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 01:34:49 PM »
Hope you get it all figured out santho. Just wondering but dosnt the kit come with instructions? Or are they vague and hard to follow?
When you get her all bolted up make sure to take pics and or vids!! Would love to see her in action.

I got an instruction of Dbilas when I sent mail to them, but it was not particularly good. Yes, I'm going to take lots of pictures and movies when the inlet is installed and everything works!

Disassembly:

1.)Disconnect the battery.
2.)Dismantle the hose who comes from the air filter box and goes to the throttle body.
3.)Remove the air flow meter.
4.)Strip off the plugs from the throttle body potentiometer and idle actuator motor.
(Tip! Mark all plugs and hoses with different colours so it is not possible to confuse them.)
5.)Remove the vacuum hose from the throttle body to the active carbon filter pulse valve.
6.)Remove the throttle cable from the throttle body.
7.)Dismantle the coolant hoses from the throttle body.
8.)Strip off the vacuum hoses from the fuel pressure regulator.
9.)Remove the idle actuator motor.
10.)Dismantle the throttle body from the original manifold.
11.)Screw off the fuel line. (Attention! Line is under pressure!)
12.)Dismantle the fuel distribution line include the injection valves.
13.)Separate careful the cable shaft from the injection valves.
14.)Dismantle the original manifold.
15.)Clean the sealing surface on the cylinder head.
16.)Screw off the connecting pipe from the brake booster.

Assembly:
17.)Assemble the dbilas dynamic – inlet manifold and the throttle bodies on the cylinder head.
Do not forget the gasket.
18.)Install the injection valve strip include injection valves. Take care that the injection valve strip careful put into the injection valve drill hole. (Before grease)
19.)Connect the fuel line. You have to bend the fuel connections!
20.)Fit the idle actuator motor under the throttle bodies.
21.)Change the original plastic hose against the also deliver hose to connect the fuel pressure regulator on the throttle body.
22.)Connect the both original water hoses with the also deliver plastic connection (8mm).
23.)Connect the active carbon filter pulse valve on the left connector on the throttle body.
24.)Use the delivered holder for the oil dipstick.
25.)Fit the throttle body potentiometer on the left throttlebody.
26.)Fit the airbox on the throttlebodies.
27.)Connect the idle actuator motor with the dbilas dynamic – airbox.
28.)Take the also deliver hose (14mm) for connect the crankcase ventilation (big connector on the valve lid) with the dbilas dynamic – Airbox.
29.)Assemble the air flow meter between the also deliver 70mm hose and connect these on the filter box.
30.)Fix all wiring harness on sensors.
31.)Refill the coolant.
32.)Mount the orginal throttle cable in the holder at the dbilas dynamic – throttlebodie kit and check that the throttle bodies open complete. Do not stretch the throttle cable linkage to much.
33.)Take care that all plugs connected.
34.)Connect the battery and start the engine.


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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2015, 01:41:21 PM »
OK....I did mine a bit differently because of my set up but here is the basic set up directly from Dbilas.

Cheers,
~Ralph

FITTING INSTRUCTIONS
 
db- Individual Throttle Injector System
 
BMW 318is

 
   1   Disconnect the battery and drain the coolant.

   2   Disconnect and mark the fuel connection, vacuum hose and other connections.
Warning: fuel lead is under pressure!

   3   Dismantle the standard fuel injection and connect the following parts to the db- system: throttle valve switch, idle actuation motor, brake booster hose connection and injection outlet guide rail. 
Please notice: on E36, file the injection outlet bores 4 mm closer to each other, so that the outlet guide rail can be fastened to the inlet manifold. On E30 and E36, bend the fuel injection of the outlet guide rail as seen on the picture, so that the fuel lead can be installed. Insert a 5 mm spike into the connections, so that they won`t get pressed shut. 

   4   Install the throttles on the intake manifold. Screw to the cylinder head ( not using the air collector or rubbers). (use new sealer)

   5   Carefully insert the injection outlet guide rail into the injection outlet bore (grease well first) and screw shut with the intended Allen screw. 

   6   fasten the idle actuation motor holder including the rubber to the bottom of the  throttle stud bolt.

   7   Connect the fuel injection to the injection outlet guide rail. 
4mm- vacuum connection with T- piece: connect the hose of the fuel pressure regulator with the T- piece and hose of the fuel evaporation control valve.

   8   Displace the dipstick using the provided holder.

   9   On vehicles with preheating of the standard throttle body, connect the affected hoses with the 8mm hose. 

   10   Connect the fuel evaporation control valve and the connection wires/ hoses like the standards.

   11   Supply the idle actuation motor with 22mm connection rubbers, db- T- piece and reduction 22 à 12 mm and place in retaining rubber. Fix 10 mm hoses on T- piece and reducer and connect. 

   12   Put the air collector up with rubbers and hose brackets and connect to air pressure measure instrument ( make sure it is sealed tight). 
Please notice: with E36 the cable duct might have to be transferred.

   13   Connect the air collector and the valve lid with the oil damper hose.

   14   Make sure that the throttles open and close fully and that all connectors and hoses are positioned correctly. 
Fill coolant, connect the battery, start the engine and synchronise the throttles.

Suitable to the throttle body injector system and for using the car on street we recommend a camshaft set with 262°.
 
For further questions do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

mail@dbilas-dynamic.de
dbilas dynamic
Maybachstr. 3
63322 Rödermark
Tel:+49(0)6074-93328
Fax:+49(0)6074-93316

Thanks for the mounting instructions! It was much better than the one I got from Dbilas!

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I have bought parts to make a transition from 24/25mm to 12,5 mm !


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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2015, 08:04:31 AM »
You're welcome.  You definitely have the E36 air plenum. The E30 is different in the rear of the plenum to fit next to the brake booster.

If you have an E36 this kit should fit with no problems. I did however see the small thin rubber tube like grommet missing from your ITBs on Cyl #1. Make sure you have all 4 or the car won't idle correctly! I think you can get the BMW part from any E28M5 or E30M3 ITB.

Good luck with the install and keep us updated. I'm so far behind on mine. Have to fit the distribution manifold for all 4 TB openings to go to my map sensor. Then I'll have a better signal for tuning. Then it's dyno time.

Cheers,
~Ralph

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2015, 06:23:17 AM »
You're welcome.  You definitely have the E36 air plenum. The E30 is different in the rear of the plenum to fit next to the brake booster.

If you have an E36 this kit should fit with no problems. I did however see the small thin rubber tube like grommet missing from your ITBs on Cyl #1. Make sure you have all 4 or the car won't idle correctly! I think you can get the BMW part from any E28M5 or E30M3 ITB.

Good luck with the install and keep us updated. I'm so far behind on mine. Have to fit the distribution manifold for all 4 TB openings to go to my map sensor. Then I'll have a better signal for tuning. Then it's dyno time.

Cheers,
~Ralph

I have now mounted the dbilas intake, and used the car in a week with out problems! More information and picture / video coming!

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