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PLEASE HELP!!!
« on: March 04, 2014, 04:10:24 PM »
Please help ! 91 318i .......if i pull the key from the ignition it stays running...i pulled the #10 fuse and it shuts off how it should when i remove the key.....also the little wire on my starter sparks and heats up. Theres one yellow and one red light lit up on my cluster if that helps. I can do almost anything but when it comes to eletrical im stuck !! Any comments and help will be appreciated emensly!!! Feel free to text 8607970887

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2014, 07:48:00 PM »
check wiring on starter, they might be shorting and keep the car on.
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2014, 08:10:58 PM »
You might also have a broken ignition switch. Pull the steering column apart and check the bottom part of the ignition switch. It's a red plastic circular plug on the left side, opposite the key switch.

The black/yellow wire that goes to the starter is the signal wire off the ignition switch - should only carry voltage when the key is in the start position. Find out if the starter is stuck and somehow shorting that signal wire.

You usually don't see E30s with ignition switch troubles - the E36s had some problems with them.

Don't be afraid of the electrical systems. They're usually the cheapest problems to fix. Do you have the electrical troubleshooting manual? I like to use this one, the E30 'vert ETM.
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2014, 08:46:27 PM »
No i dont have a manual of any sort. Would the ignition switch be the reason for it to heat up? That wire got really hot almost like something was getting back fed through the wire

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2014, 08:48:06 PM »
check wiring on starter, they might be shorting and keep the car on.

Grounding on eachother?

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2014, 10:41:26 PM »
Its the green and black wire getting really hot on my starter

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 10:50:54 PM »
Does the wire on the starter heat up/spark once the motor is running or just on start?




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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2014, 08:12:50 AM »
Here is the starter wiring, hopefully it helps.

« Last Edit: March 05, 2014, 08:15:00 AM by Slowered318 »

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2014, 08:32:46 PM »
Its the green and black wire getting really hot on my starter

Nice post, Slowered! Shayne, that's a page from the ETM - like a flow chart for the starter wiring & circuits. Does it make a little more sense now, or is it even more confusing?

Here's my take on the wiring diagram. The black/green wire looks like it should only carry power at two times.

1. When the ignition switch is in Run position that black/green wire is grounded through the starter.
2. When the key is turned into the 'Start' position, BMW does a little electrical trickery. The unloader relays get +12volts on both control terminals. That cancels out, so the relays shut off. Those two relays are called 'unloaders' because they disconnect non-essential electrical systems when the car is cranking. That gives the starter more amps.

Those "unloader" relays are the normal Bosch 4-pin 30amp units that almost every car on earth uses. The BMW relays look a bit different, but they work the same way. They basically just have a prettier case and an inline resistor to cut down on arcing in the ignition switch. I'd also suspect they also have a diode internally to prevent current flowing the wrong way. If that's true, and the diode is burned out, that black/green wire would short back to main power, and definitely get warm!

I can check my relays tomorrow to verify my little theory. I'd start checking the unloader relays K5 & K7, and the ignition switch. Do you have a multimeter?

Does the battery ever need to be recharged, or does it hold a charge between starts?
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2014, 11:26:14 PM »
Thanks for deciphering my post haha.

Unfortunately I don't have much input on the starter problem aside from the schematic. I recently found it when cleaned up the battery junction block, something I would recommend as you can lose voltage if the contacts are corroded.

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starter issues???!!!?!
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2014, 10:09:22 PM »
Hey guys the smallest wire (green and black )which i think is the ignition switch that runs to my starter began to melt. Why?? Do you guys have pictures of the wireing on ur starter? How do i fix this i have 3 wires thanksss

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2014, 09:00:20 AM »
I merged these two topics. I'd suspect you have a bad starter, engine grounding strap, or possibly a bad ignition switch. Here's a link that might be helpful:
http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37728

Did you change out the starter with a rebuilt unit? Here's a thread about AutoZone rebuilt starters that are advertised as fitting our cars, but need a bit of rewiring to fit in our cars.
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2014, 11:02:36 AM »
Thanks for deciphering my post haha.

Unfortunately I don't have much input on the starter problem aside from the schematic. I recently found it when cleaned up the battery junction block, something I would recommend as you can lose voltage if the contacts are corroded.

yes i have a multi meter nad no my batter wont hold a charge.

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