ostrich2.0

[318is91turbo]

i just ordered an ostrich 2.0. im gonna be running it in my stock car. all i have is a cone filter and i run 93 octane since ive owned it.  i have some 275 cc dsm injectors. i was thinking it would be easier to tune 275cc injectors to a stock tune before i go forced induction.  anyone have thoughts/suggestions on this? will i be able to acheive stock driveability with 275cc injectors? im not looking for power gains from the bigger injectors until i go FI. power gains would be cool tho.

[DesktopDave]

I think the stock injectors are about 212cc, so yours are a bit on the big side given the stock tune.  You could swap the pressure regulator - take it down from 3 BAR to 2.5 or whatever pressure gives good AFR...you're going to need a good regulator later on anyway, right?

[bme30]

I had s52 injectors on my itb set up.  When i replaced my fuel pump i could not get the afr higher than 10:1 at high load and wot maps no matter how low i put the values.  So i ran my stock injectors.  I was tuning with tunerpro rt.  i dont know nor could find where i could tell the program that i was using higher cc injectors.  If you can figure that out then i think you can run bigger injectors on a stock motor and having a smaller duty cycle to keep from running too rich.

[318is91turbo]

well i dont have the tunerpro version you pay for. but what i do have and can change. one says AFM map scale factors(injector size adjusting). and i honestly think i can possibly use that for my try at MAP conversion. and bigger injectors. i dont have a wideband yet >.> should i wait to install until i get one of those?

[bme30]

Im not using the pay version of tunerpro rt either.  I think i might have that map as well but didnt know i can adjust injector size.

But yes wait untill you install a wideband before you start messing with fuel tables.

[bmwman91]

Cool, keep us posted on your project! I have been wanting to mess around with an Ostrich and Tunerpro, so it will be neat to see how someone does with it. Supposedly the XDF files on the tunerpro site aren't really usable, but who knows. Hopefully they are!

[318is91turbo]

yeah i was reading a thread and this one guy wouldnt answer a single thing he just kept suggesting they buy his 175$ xdf files.
ill take that 175 dollars and buy myself a chip burner/reader and figure out the ecu myself lol. so is there anyone actually using ostrich2.0 currently?

[bmwman91]

Midnight tuning?

As far as I am aware, nobody has "cracked" the M42 Motronic on their own. The M20 is a different story since it was production volumes of like 20x the M42 and it has a lot more people that have worked on it. Honestly, it would probably end up being worth the $175. OR, take your car to a professional tuner and get a dyno tune since I 100% guarantee that you will need to for your turbo rig anyway if you want max power and fuel economy. Even with a wide-band setup, you won't maximize power unless you are measuring power at the wheels, and there is almost no way around that.

Maybe I am not giving you enough credit though. Enough time and patience might get you the offsets of the fuel and spark tables. Personally, I would look into a Megasquirt V3.0 setup since it will give you faster throttle response than the old M1.7 and no mysteries when it comes to tuning.

[bme30]

I got the midnight tuning xdf.  When i asked for some tips i very little in way of help.  Just a good luck.  Asked why the check engine light was on while using it.  Never got a reply. Ended up researching tuning tips and figuring out tunerpro.

Other than that the program works on my m42 with itbs.  Only issue i have is trying to hold rpm at 2k.  The engine bounces revs from 1500 to 2k when i hold steady throttle. Afr shows a fuel cut.  This is only when revving not driving under load.  But only happens when the car is warm.  At cold start i can hold the revs at 2k.  I tried adjusting idle fuel tables, low load fuel tables, tps adjustments.  I think its a glitch in the file. 

I guess you get what you pay for.  But other than that everything else works fine.  Oh and you cant do data logging

[318is91turbo]

so its not a bad emulator? dam im starting to think i impulse bought this thing haha...
actually reading i heard the m20 xdf are not far from the m42 files. i have plenty of time and patience.
 honestly i have way to much time.  any hints on the xdf files? im not gonna buy his. id like to learn it on my own. future reference type things.  i thought data logging was suppose to be one of the big things the ostrich was capable of? i plan on toying with ostrich and tunerpro file by file. this stuff interest me a ton. thanks for the thoughts
and as for tuning. im working on going back to uti and im hoping to use their dyno haha.

[wazzu70]

Sounds like you should do a lot more reading before jumping into anything. It will be a fun project for sure. I almost wish I had gone this route instead of a standalone just to help "crack the code" so to say. The benefits of a standalone are just too great so I went that route.

I believe the E30 M42 and E36 M42 ECUs have different definitions so you can't take info from one and move to the other directly. Things will probably ve similar between the two but not exact.

The best bet is to buy a damos file off someone. Would save a lot of headache but I have no idea how to go about getting one.

[bmwman91]

wazzu, you made the right choice by going stand-alone. The Motronic 1.7 is a robust, fault-tolerant control box for sure. However, it is sort of slow by any modern standard in terms of throttle response and it can't utilize a WBO2. Even with a MAF on there with a stock ECU, throttle is not as snappy as it is on darn near nay new car. On top of that, there is all the "cracking the code" hassle involved with the stock ECU, when stand-alone setups are MUCH more open in terms of sharing tunes and such. Megasquirt is not the best stand-alone out there, but I do believe that it is by far the best one for its price point.

[wazzu70]

Yes, having full datalogging is incredibly helpful. I have WB02, EGT, and KS in addition to your standard sensors

Also being able to scale for injectors, and edit VE and IGN in real values is incredibly helpful.

I actually think VEMS is a more cost effective standalone when you factor in you dont need to buy an innovative WB box or ignition driver, ect ect. Both options are great for us "hobby" guys.

[bmwman91]

Hmmm, didn't know that VEMS had a built-in WBO2 controller. That alone could make it the better option. The LC-1 is great and all, but it is so sensitive to grounding that it is not even funny.

[wazzu70]

I dont know all the details, but VEMS is now closed software because a company now popular stole the wideband code and made a product out of it widely used today.

For interests sake I recommend you look at VEMS sometime and see its capabilities. Its essentially MS3Pro at a much lower price point and is fully integrated. A guy like you would be able to appreciate the differences compared to most other lower cost ECUs.