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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2013, 06:10:06 AM »
wazzu70 is correct  again! I didn't cut my reliefs in my pistons any deeper and my cams are about the same as the Schrick 256s' which are a direct replacement without modifications on a stock motor. So if all your math is correct then you should have no issues.

Glad you're getting the head ported. You won't be disappointed.

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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2013, 12:04:45 PM »
Got the head back from Korman :)  I gotta say up front although it took way longer than I thought it should but Ray Korman was great.  Couple of issues they ran into that I thought I'd pass along if anyone else goes with a Schrick cam. I went with a 256/256 schrick cam, their literature doesn't mandate changing lifters and springs but we experienced coil bind using oem springs.  It was slight so maybe some heads would be okay but mine wasn't.     Anyway ended up with schrick springs, lifters & cam as well as new OEM exhaust valves.  Intake was gasket matched and some mild porting was done. 

Took the crank into get the snout turned down and a new woodruff seat cut but having trouble finding anyone with a 5X6.5 cutter.  What did you guys do?
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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2013, 03:27:41 PM »
What is the maximum lift with those Schrick cams? One issue than I ran into with my build (11.4mm max intake, 11.15mm max exhaust) was the cams getting eaten up by the lifters since the high lift causes them to run up & over the edge of the bucket. You MUST run an oil with high ZDDP content (Mobil 1 15W-50 seems to be the best off-the-shelf one for a reasonable price, Castrol 10W-60 TWS is better but almost $20/L). My cams were SHREDDED after ~1000 miles of running some cheap Pennzoil 10W-40 mineral oil for break-in. If you are worried about seating the rings, you would probably be OK running dino oil for <50 miles to seat those, and then switch to synthetic.

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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2013, 05:41:44 PM »
Thanks for the tip bmwman91.  Sorry to hear of all your issues you've had with that motor.  The Schricks are 10.4 and 10.4.  Stock I believe is 9.70 for intake and exhaust.

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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2013, 06:16:40 PM »
Thats good to know you had coil bind with those cams as I consider them fairly mild lift wise. I wouldn't have guessed there would be comflict....but thats why you check!
-Nick
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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2013, 07:53:52 PM »
Finally an update.  As mentioned head is back from Korman.  Valve cover is powder coated Air Force Blue cause that's where Bryce will be going (fingers crossed).  He received letter's of assurance from West Point and Naval Academy. Air Force will let him know in January.  The terribly sad thing after all this work is he can't take his car out until his junior year  :) ... I mean  :'(



I ended up sending the crank to MM to cut the extra keyway.  Jim turned it around very fast and it's now back at my local machine shop checking balance and assembly balance.  The guys at the shop said it probably wasn't necessay but I figured there's too much time and money invested not to be 100% sure. 

Finally go the rear subframe back in today.  Here it is before it went in.  Looks a lot better than when it came out that's for sure, but more importantly all new rubber bushings.  Rear end is a 4.27 lsd out of a vert.  I replaced the seals and o-rings.  I know the rust on the back end is abhorent.  Body work will be done once Bryce is in school.  I don't htink he'd let me take it off the road again until he's gone.



Remanned from BMW, salty but I've had issues with some other remanned units so we'll see how they do



And finally I rebuilt the calipers.  It was obvious the right rear was not retracting as it should.  Removed the rust using a storage tub, rebar, a battery charger and borax solution.  That was really cool to watch and did a great job.  They were so bad going in I really didn't think they were salvageable, but they turned out alright and pistons move freely now.



Once I get the crank back I'll get the head mounted with the old gasket to double check valve clearance.  Check bearing clearances and if everything is okay we'll get her buttoned back up.  For future readers Ray Korman told me the 84mm OEM head gaskets are good for a +1 overbore so that's what I'll be using.  Thought that was good info.



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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2013, 11:14:48 AM »
Great progress!

Hopefully your son gets into the school he wants!
-Nick
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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2013, 06:22:19 PM »
Exciting weekend ahead.  I started getting the block prepped for assembly.  This evening I chased all the bolt holes.  You need 3 sizes to do the block.  M10 X1.5 for the head bolts.


M10X1.5 for the mains and M6X1.0 for the oilpan holes.


The lower timing cover uses three sizes, M10X1.5, M8X1.25 and M6X1.0


I still need to do the rear but I need to take it off the engine stand and I was getting lazy.  I'll do that tomorrow then give it a good soapy wash and brush all oil passages.  I'm going to mic the bearing clearances just to see how I do but I will take it to the machine shop on Monday to double check my measurments.  I think it was in Wazzu70's build where he suggested .001 per inch of journal. Does that sound about right?

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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2013, 07:15:19 PM »
.001" for 1" of diameter of journal is correct.

Here is a great thread: http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59017
-Nick
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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2013, 08:13:45 PM »
As always, thanks wazzu.  Robert (Peerless) spent some time on the phone with me when I was trying to decide what to do when I first had engine trouble.  He's a first rate guy and very knowledgeable.  That link will be a big help to me.

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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2013, 08:04:43 PM »
Have you ever seen a thrust bearing like this?  This is what came with the M47 crank.  It is a genuine BMW part.  Just seems kind off janky, but then I'm not an engineer.  The side rails have tabs that clip into the bearing and they rails move. Any idea why it is designed like this and any reason not to use it?



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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2013, 12:33:49 PM »
Anyone ever seen an Amish connecting rod vice?



I didn't know there where upper and lower specific bearing halves.  Fortunately I noticed they had different finishes and did some digging.  #425 is top and it had a dull grey finish, #426 was bottom and was shinier for lack of a better turn.  Again these bearings came with the M47 crank so no clue if it relates to M42 stuff.


I just thought this was cool.


I gave up trying to mic things myself.  The old connecting bolts do not fit the new rods.  The new ARP bolts are stretch bolts so I'm not sure how to proceed.  I'll leave it to the machine shop tomorrow.
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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2013, 06:14:05 PM »
I've got a question about updating the deflection wheel to a deflection rail.  Using RealOEM to compare the 318is M42 to a Euro E36 M42 I believe I would need the following from the Euro E36 M42:

Lower Timing Chain Case  11141739699
Gasket                               11141743032
Deflection Rail                    11311739130
Filister Head ScrewsX2       07119919824
More gaskets                     11141247429

Also listed as different but not sure if needed:

Trigger Contact                   12141247258
Filister Head Screw               11421740488
Pulse Generator                   12141247259
Filister Head Screw              11421740488

I might take a flier on it, but the biggest concern is the block number has a different part number associated with it.  Anyone know if this is possible?  My concern is that the block has changes that pair with the lower timing case in which case the lower timing case wouldn't fit on the old block. I've searched a lot and haven't found a definitive answer.  Thanks.
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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2013, 02:31:17 PM »
On the thrust bearing, that looks like a really cheap way to add a thrust surface to a bearing shell. I havent seen them like that though from the factory! My shells were one piece and did not look like that. If the diesel crank has the same main journal sizes, I would just use standard M42 petrol bearings.

On the front cover I dont know for sure on this. I know the later M42 block was different in that it had an oil restrictor in the return (I believe) from the head. Not sure why the E30 M42 did not have this. Other than very minor things, both E30 and E36 blocks should be the same. For the front cover, that was different on the later engines and so was the gasket. You need to get the later M42 version and not the M44 version to have a holder for the VR sensor. Use the same VR sensor, it is possible the later M42 used a hall sensor instead which will not talk to the ECU.

All this is from what I have read and remembered, I have no first hand experience unfortunately!
-Nick
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Re: Another M42 engine build
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2013, 09:44:08 AM »
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