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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2013, 04:40:51 PM »
Sorry for having this totally fall off the burner. My car has basically not been running for the last year, and then stuff like a wedding and buying a house happened which further distracted me. The car should be alive in a week or two, and then I get to spend a month or so ripping out 1200 square feet of carpet and refinishing old hardwood floors in my house lol.
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MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2013, 10:56:46 AM »
Its all good... I was in your boat 3 years ago... Now i have a little one who is taking up a lot of my r&d time for my car.


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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #62 on: July 04, 2013, 07:39:40 PM »
Hope you get your car running soon and the reno work out of the way.  :D

If you get back on this project I would be very interested in a kit or I can beta test if you like (pretty clever with electronics)

Before I found this thread I saw that MAF on ECS Tuning, got me thinking.

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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #63 on: July 31, 2013, 07:46:38 PM »
haven't checked in on m42club in a while- glad to see you made progress on this project. we talked a while back about using a 750i ECU to do a MAF conversion, but what you've done here allows the use of chip tuning, so even better. i'm definitely in when it's available; i'm pretty sure the VAF meter is holding me back from making power on the top-end with the DBilas setup.

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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2013, 05:41:50 PM »
Hi bmwman,
I've been away from our forum for a long time and I was assuming that you have finished your kit and has sold many of them already. And finally I logged on to buy one for myself with a tought of finding a burning threat at the very top of the other threats. But, I have found a deserted one :( So I did read the last messages and I can see you are busy with the new responsibilities. I wonder, are you planning to go back to maf kit project any time soon?

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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #65 on: January 16, 2014, 11:15:28 AM »
i m still thinking reading bout the maf conversion..i was just wondering why cant we use a maf which give the out put 0-5volts instead?

like this one here http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BMW-Air-Flow-Mass-Meter-Sensor-MAF-E46-318i-318ti-316i-316ti-0280218075-/261196365638

thank u

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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #66 on: January 17, 2014, 05:27:56 PM »
I'm in, love to get rid of the afm!

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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2014, 01:41:29 PM »
i m still thinking reading bout the maf conversion..i was just wondering why cant we use a maf which give the out put 0-5volts instead?

like this one here http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BMW-Air-Flow-Mass-Meter-Sensor-MAF-E46-318i-318ti-316i-316ti-0280218075-/261196365638

thank u


Just about all automotive sensors operate on a 0-5V range. The issue is getting the right transfer function (look up the term). The ECU expects a very specific voltage-vs-airflow relationship, which is specific to the stock AFM part. On top of that, a MAF's output is proportional to mass flow rate (kg/hr) but the stock AFM's output is proportional to volume flow rate (m^3/hr). Assuming barometric changes are minimal (altitude), the two are related through air temperature. Conceivably you can hook up a MAF to the stock ECU/chip and it will run just fine at ONE temperature. Once air temp shifts by more than 10 degrees Celsius, the ECU will not be getting the right information from the MAF anymore and your mixture will start to get a little lean/rich. You could stick a fixed value resistor onto the ECU's air temp sensor pins and fool it into thinking that it is a constant temperature outside which would bypass that issue, but you may have knock problems on hot days since the ECU does retard ignition timing when the air is very hot. And of course, I do not know of any MAF with a transfer function that matches the stock AFM's transfer function at any normal temperature. I went through all of this in 2005 when I developed my first converter and the "temperature fooling" method doesn't work well.

ALL of the above ignores the fact that the M42 has some pretty heavy resonances in the intake/air box, and a MAF is so sensitive that it will have very large output voltage swings during these resonant modes that the ECU cannot properly read. The signal swings are bad enough that the ECU will stop injecting fuel under 100% throttle conditions from 2300-3000RPM. Using a cone air filter helps by eliminating the cavity resonances in the stock air box, but the stock air box really is best and chances are that you will lose power from using a cone filter.



I really do apologize for letting this project die. After I got my last set of prototypes together, I realized that there were some things that I didn't like about how I designed it, and while it worked, I just wasn't comfortable selling it without correcting some things. Too much of an engineer here I guess, but I don't want to commit to taking people's money for something that I know has little issues. The project has been under part-time development again, and the next rev should be better than the last one...it's all a big learning experience. Working on my house still takes priority (happy wife = happy life lol), but the next revision of the MAF converter is seeing some development at least.
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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2014, 12:44:41 PM »
thanks for the good explanation..if i hook up a 5v maf wit a temperature sensor..together wit a air fuel controller like safc...i guess wit a proper tuning it will work right?

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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2014, 06:10:56 PM »
thanks for the good explanation..if i hook up a 5v maf wit a temperature sensor..together wit a air fuel controller like safc...i guess wit a proper tuning it will work right?

It would work at the one ambient air temperature that you tuned it at. At other temperatures you would run lean or rich. In short, you can't just plug a MAF into an ECU that was programmed for an AFM because the two types of sensors measure two different things (related, but different). You would need to modify the microcode in the ECU to use kg/hr input rather than m^3 input, and unless you have spent a lifetime working with automotive embedded controls, you can't do it. I can't. Only a small handful of people can. My converter works from the outside, and even that involves a few thousand lines of microcode and some fancy digital filter design software. Which brings me back to the other big point...the MAF is "too sensitive" and the signals it gives the ECU at certain RPMs will cause fuel cut. That's why you need the fancy digital filtering stuff.
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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2014, 01:43:12 AM »
Bugger

So when will this conversion be available roughly?

Is this similar to what split second has done?

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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2014, 12:48:26 PM »
gosh..i guess there is no short cut or cheap way to do this...damm

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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2014, 01:06:25 PM »
gosh..i guess there is no short cut or cheap way to do this...damm

None that I am aware of. If there was, everyone would be running a MAF instead of the VAM.

The good news is that you really are not losing any power on an internally stock M42. Unless you are making over 180HP at the crank, chances are that a MAF will provide no benefit to power. Throttle response does improve a bit, but most people seem to think that the MAF is all about making more power.

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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2014, 11:13:17 PM »
Hi my name is Mark and I live in Reno... I am really interested in your project trials...That is if I am not too far from you. I have a 1979 320i with a e36 m42 swap.  I am really sick of chasing the gremlins in this afm setup. Poor idle, poor throttle response, etc... PLEASE let me know how it all works out and if I can get my greasy paws on a setup!!! Thanks again....  :)
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Re: MAF Conversion: It's Happening, Who Is Interested?
« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2014, 08:51:39 AM »
Do you think that some of the noise/resonance in the intake was caused by the twin-plate throttle body vs a regular throttle body?