Author Topic: camber correction - offer your input (Read 13425 times)

roundel318 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 26, 2009, 07:19:21 PM »

UPDATE

I got the vorshlag/eibach camber plate kit installed and it's stellar!
Alignment is back to stock front camber, so tire wear should be more balanced.
Plus the driving dynamics are really great, back to how it should be.
The car tends to wander less at high speeds.
The mount is polyeurothane and appears to have had pretty much no effect on ride quality (not sure if it would, I was mildly concerned)
I was uncertain if there would be a ride height change, and I really don't see much of anything there either, it all looks alright.
Mind the dirty car.....
Cheers!

nigel · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2009, 02:31:35 PM »

Looks good, man. I'll have to grab some of these once i get some of my more major problems smoothed over.
What do you have in mind for the rear?

roundel318 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2009, 10:24:35 PM »

Not really sure, I was thinking the offset trailing arm bushing (I think there is a rubber one somewhere?) or the adjustable tabs (serious install) but I need to think it over after I see the tire wear, it's .6 degrees out of spec, so it could be worse.

BraveUlysses · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2009, 09:47:28 AM »

So for 360 dollars + s/h, the eibach kit basically entails a set of camber plates and nothing else?

roundel318 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:27:50 PM »

Tirerack sells the kit for 278 plus shipping, yes it's just a set of adjustable plates, they have poly mounts.
I am pleased so far with mine, and I am a bit fussy about ride quality.
The Eibach website has a true picture of the kit, their link I had above doesn't work on account of their dumb site.

bwawuz02 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 08, 2009, 11:33:52 AM »

Ground Control camber plates ftw. vorshlag is overpriced, under-engineered copy anyway. But i guess there are those people who want a german sounding part to go with their german car.

BraveUlysses · « **Reply #21 on:** October 09, 2009, 11:14:51 AM »

Quote from: bwawuz02;79610

Ground Control camber plates ftw. vorshlag is overpriced, under-engineered copy anyway. But i guess there are those people who want a german sounding part to go with their german car.

Vorshlag's (not the Eibachs that Vorshlag sells) plates are far superior to GC's.

DSP74 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:58:44 AM »

Quote from: BraveUlysses;79679

Vorshlag's (not the Eibachs that Vorshlag sells) plates are far superior to GC's.

Many people disagree with you, with factual reasons to disagree.
Watch these videos.

http://www.camberplate.com/test/GCFinalCPIIa.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zN9ClW8Xs8

DSP699/DSP74

romkasponka · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2009, 01:00:51 PM »

Strange that they do not show how much pressure was applied. It could be that you get such load only under press and not in real life. Mine looks like this http://www.greitiems.lt/gamyba.php and they was raced and did not had any failure. Bearings are preloaded and made for racing purpose. It could be simulated by FEA, but of cause it depends what materials was used during production.

BraveUlysses · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2009, 10:10:14 AM »

Quote from: DSP74;80257

Many people disagree with you, with factual reasons to disagree.
Watch these videos.

http://www.camberplate.com/test/GCFinalCPIIa.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zN9ClW8Xs8

DSP699/DSP74

Yet I cannot find any real world examples of the plates breaking as shown. In fact the only result of searching for camber plate failures on bf.c track subforum are a set of GC plates where the bearing broke on a race car.

How much force is being applied and why isn't it shown?

DSP74 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2009, 05:22:49 PM »

Quote from: BraveUlysses;80303

How much force is being applied and why isn't it shown?

Dont ask me. All I can see is one broke and the other didnt. I dont have to worry about how much weight broke it, because I dont already own the one that broke.

Your searches must have ended up differently than mine, maybe you hang out at bimmerforums which I just dont like. here are other links that I used in my decision. YMMV

http://r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=117787

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?p=955508#post955508

DSP788/ DSP74

She loved E · « **Reply #26 on:** October 23, 2009, 06:06:02 PM »

Quote from: DSP74;80322

Dont ask me.

You're so informed. Thank you for spouting off about things you know nothing about! :cool:

BraveUlysses · « **Reply #27 on:** October 24, 2009, 11:14:14 AM »

Quote from: DSP74;80322

Dont ask me. All I can see is one broke and the other didnt. I dont have to worry about how much weight broke it, because I dont already own the one that broke.

The entire point of my comment is that if we don't know how much force is applied, we don't know if the break/yield point of the bearing is within the normal bounds of what a suspension would experience (discounting crashes).

Who cares if Vorshlag's bearing broke if the loads applied were 2, 3 or 10 times what would ever be subjected to the vehicle during daily driving or tracking?

Just because something is overengineered doesn't mean it is a superior product.

Quote from: DSP74;80322

Your searches must have ended up differently than mine, maybe you hang out at bimmerforums which I just dont like. here are other links that I used in my decision. YMMV

Ok, doesn't change the fact that neither of these links describe any more detail about the failure of the camber plate.

Furthermore, after reading your trainwreck of a thread on r3v I'll just leave you to your own strange conclusions.

romkasponka · « **Reply #28 on:** October 24, 2009, 03:39:55 PM »

I never saw or hear ever broken camber plate. More often it is shock absorbers, wishbones after impact, but not in normal race or rally conditions.

DSP74 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 27, 2009, 09:44:23 AM »

Quote from: BraveUlysses;80375

Who cares if Vorshlag's bearing broke if the loads applied were 2, 3 or 10 times what would ever be subjected to the vehicle during daily driving or tracking?

Well, if as you say, we (you and I) dont know the bearing load, how do you know its not "HALF of what would ever be subjected to the vehicle during daily driving or tracking?", and yours just hasn't broken yet?

Your research consisted of "I cannot find any real world examples of the plates breaking as shown".

That is not good enough for me, and I shared my reasons why with you. You responded by attacking the messenger (me) and digging up posts from another forum about a completely different subject. Straight out the Chicago Politics playbook, to discredit any opposing views, because you can't support your claim.

I think you should edit your previous post to say: "Vorshlag's (not the Eibachs that Vorshlag sells) plates are far superior to GC's unless you press on them, or try to adjust them or measure stack height"

Quote from: bwawuz02

Ground Control camber plates ftw. vorshlag is overpriced, under-engineered copy anyway. But i guess there are those people who want a german sounding part to go with their german car.

+1

DSP74