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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2009, 07:05:50 PM »
When you do the stomp test, are you resetting the computer?  The reason I say this is because since I did the test the first time, I can't get the code to flash again.

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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2009, 09:02:25 PM »
Sorry...I should have been more specific.  All Bosch cars have this feature (with different tricks to access it), some American cars have it too.  It's the way things were before OBDII and code readers.

You're definitely counting the blinks.  The pauses are important too because they tell you if you're between codes.

The codes are a little hard to read until you get some practice.  I take a tablet and jot them down because I forget them as they blink out.  They're all four digit codes, and when you get the stomping just right it'll start blinking.  They look random but they aren't...and you have to pay close attention.  If you miss one, that's OK, they'll keep repeating as long as you keep the key in position 2.  Here's a list of the codes:
http://e30world.com/fuel/BMW-E30-DME-Motronic-fault-codes

The light will start with a long (4-5 seconds) blink on.  Then a long pause (4-5 seconds again) and it'll start into the codes it has stored.  Each code is four numbers, it'll blink them out quickly with shorter pauses between the four digits.  

When it's all done, it'll give another long blink on and start all over again.

For example, when I tried mine I saw this pattern with the check engine light:
Long flash (lets you know that it's starting the sequence)
long pause
one quick blink, short pause
four quick blinks & a short pause
four quick blinks & a short pause
four quick blinks & a long pause...then it starts all over again with a long blink and repeats until you turn off the ignition or break the instrument cluster out of sheer frustration :rolleyes:

It's a code 1444, 'No Codes'.  I'm all clear...no troubles at all :D  You might get that even if the car isn't starting...it's frustrating at times :mad:.  I did have a code 1215 (AFM) when I bought the car, but it ended up being a vacuum leak.  The codes are just clues, don't replace things willy-nilly when the ECU/DME/computer starts telling you they're bad.

Oh yeah...one more thing...if you have multiple codes it'll do them in sequence.  Even if you mess one up, you can catch the others and wait for it to repeat.  Sorry for the short novel here, but it's hard to explain it...but when you understand it you can impress your friends with your psychic mechanic powers.
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2009, 09:37:58 PM »
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Sorry...I should have been more specific.  All Bosch cars have this feature (with different tricks to access it), some American cars have it too.  It's the way things were before OBDII and code readers.

You're definitely counting the blinks.  The pauses are important too because they tell you if you're between codes.

The codes are a little hard to read until you get some practice.  I take a tablet and jot them down because I forget them as they blink out.  They're all four digit codes, and when you get the stomping just right it'll start blinking.  They look random but they aren't...and you have to pay close attention.  If you miss one, that's OK, they'll keep repeating as long as you keep the key in position 2.  Here's a list of the codes:
http://e30world.com/fuel/BMW-E30-DME-Motronic-fault-codes

The light will start with a long (4-5 seconds) blink on.  Then a long pause (4-5 seconds again) and it'll start into the codes it has stored.  Each code is four numbers, it'll blink them out quickly with shorter pauses between the four digits.  

When it's all done, it'll give another long blink on and start all over again.

For example, when I tried mine I saw this pattern with the check engine light:
Long flash (lets you know that it's starting the sequence)
long pause
one quick blink, short pause
four quick blinks & a short pause
four quick blinks & a short pause
four quick blinks & a long pause...then it starts all over again with a long blink and repeats until you turn off the ignition or break the instrument cluster out of sheer frustration :rolleyes:

It's a code 1444, 'No Codes'.  I'm all clear...no troubles at all :D  You might get that even if the car isn't starting...it's frustrating at times :mad:.  I did have a code 1215 (AFM) when I bought the car, but it ended up being a vacuum leak.  The codes are just clues, don't replace things willy-nilly when the ECU/DME/computer starts telling you they're bad.

Oh yeah...one more thing...if you have multiple codes it'll do them in sequence.  Even if you mess one up, you can catch the others and wait for it to repeat.  Sorry for the short novel here, but it's hard to explain it...but when you understand it you can impress your friends with your psychic mechanic powers.



Thanks much.  So even if I don't have any codes, it will still flash 1444?  Because I can't get it to flash anything.  The first time I tried it, I got it working, but since then, nothing.

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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2009, 09:45:05 PM »
I sometimes have a lot of trouble getting it to work too.  It'll always flash something, code 1444 even if nothing else.
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2009, 09:47:33 PM »
Ok, just got back in, slowed my stomps down a little and got it to working.  

Flashed code 1444 so I'm guessing it's nothing DME related.

Maybe the ICV?

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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2009, 10:25:49 PM »
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.  You already did the vacuum lines.  Unless it's some odd fuel pump/pressure issue...they're undoubtedly the three biggest trouble spots on these cars.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2009, 05:49:15 AM »
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.  You already did the vacuum lines.  Unless it's some odd fuel pump/pressure issue...they're undoubtedly the three biggest trouble spots on these cars.


I still haven't found the test port to check the pressure, any idea where it's at?

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2009, 07:21:01 AM »
I don't think there is a port on the e30...if one was added later on my 8/90 was too early in the production run.  Wasn't that added in the e36?  Might be M44 only.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2009, 04:36:03 PM »
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I don't think there is a port on the e30...if one was added later on my 8/90 was too early in the production run.  Wasn't that added in the e36?  Might be M44 only.


Thanks, found my buddy's bentley and went through that.  Turns out there isn't a test port, but you have to T in between the regulator and the fuel rail.

Also kept the bentley so I plan on troubleshooting and will update as soon as I find something.

Thanks again for ALL the help!

EDIT: Bentley manual doesn't have anything for the M42, would like to check fuel pressure and rail pressure, but don't have any specs or procedure.  CRAP
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2009, 12:35:16 AM »
http://media.savarturbo.se/~mattias/...-manual-v7.pdf

And you'll need a copy of the E36 Bentley for engine stuff.

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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2009, 05:57:22 AM »
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http://media.savarturbo.se/~mattias/...-manual-v7.pdf

And you'll need a copy of the E36 Bentley for engine stuff.


page doesn't work:(

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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2009, 09:22:36 AM »
I just found this link for the E36 Bentley...
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1278645

Same 750 pages, but half the size?  You'll need 7-zip or WinRAR to extract it.  I'd also recommend Foxit Reader instead of the bloated Adobe Reader.  SO much faster to open big PDFs.

Of course I already own the Bentley, but it's nice to have an electronic backup.
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2009, 05:48:04 PM »
So I checked the ICV today, was 8.5 ohms when it was cold, bentley calls for 40 ohms, but I checked another guys 318 ICV and it read the same thing, not sure about that.  I also found out another thing, when I turn the ac on, the idle drops down to 750 (where it's suppose to be), as soon as I turn the ac off, it shoots back up to 1100, tell you anything?

My next step is checking the TPS and possibly replacing the 02 sensor.  Also need to check the fuel pressure and regulator, still working on finding T fittings and such.

Unless anyone else has suggestions?

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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2009, 01:58:07 AM »
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page doesn't work:(


I see that. It worked when I tried from the thread in the M42 Reference section of the FAQ/Reference forum, but not from the direct link I provided you.:confused:

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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2009, 06:09:50 AM »
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I see that. It worked when I tried from the thread in the M42 Reference section of the FAQ/Reference forum, but not from the direct link I provided you.:confused:


no worries, just found it a copy of it.

Anyone have ideas yet?