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Mordan

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« on: December 11, 2008, 03:17:14 PM »
Hello,

I have a M20B25 in a cab, auto, no cat.... great great car. super combo

I'm jealous only because the M42 is supposedly bullet proof with its chain. I also heard the M42 lust for revs. :)

So I wonder is it worth to buy an E30 318is if you have my car?

by the way no E36 plz! the real BMWs have 4 separate head lights who don't give a ^&##$ about aerodynamics. :D

xwill112x

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 03:51:52 PM »
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by the way no e36 plz! The real bmws have 4 separate head lights who don't give a ^&##$ about aerodynamics. :d


couldnt have said it better!
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roundel318

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 06:33:43 PM »
don't e36 headlights have 4 seperate units like the E30?
Besides that debate, the M42 definately was designed a bit later in the stage of the E30 lifespan, thus it's a bit newer (hydo lifters, I think the M20 uses solids, thus the M42 is easier to maintain).
The M42 is into rev's as the M20's long crank isn't so much, find some nice 318iS that has a LSD in the back, get a chip into it (can you get 93 octane??).
On the other hand, the M20 is smoother, quieter, doesn't need 91 octane and is more midrange torque oriented, thus its nice in traffic.
The early 318i's made from 83-86 or whatever year the M10 based 318 was ended had a older M10 motor from 2002/320i days, it was good, but not as "hot" as the M42.
It was designed and introduced to replace the M10 (it was actually the M40 that replaced it, but the US never saw a M40 based car, thus we got the M42 and consider it the followup motor)
The M20 was designed in the 70's, so it just isn't as modern, it uses Bosch Jetronic (I forget which version) fuel injection, which is older then the modern Motronic fuel injection system the M42 uses.
The Motronic (v1.7 as I recall) is more modern, its DME I / OBD I diagnostics save TONS of time running down strange issues, the M42 has individual coils and are directly controlled by the ECU.
While the chain rarely needs attention, tensioner's need replacement ever 120,000 miles or thereabouts it seems. There is also a guide rail for the tensioner that can be replaced sometimes when needed, if it breaks it usually causes the chain to slip teeth, thus causing havoc. This is probably more rare than a broken timing belt on a M20 however :)

Overall, both are great, in their own ways!
« Last Edit: December 11, 2008, 06:35:58 PM by roundel318 »

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 11:20:33 AM »
m42 ftw!
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 01:23:23 PM »
or get the best of all worlds and find yourself an E30 M42 5-speed cabrio :)

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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 04:12:49 PM »
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or get the best of all worlds and find yourself an E30 M42 5-speed cabrio :)


Not the stiffest body, might want a touring for that?
at the same time, I will confess a E30 cabrio is really a total experience!!
Lots of fun :)

Mordan

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 06:04:21 AM »
thx for the answers.  I'm on the hunt for a M42.. E30... with a decent condition though. I had to do lots of work on my M20. While it has been lots of fun, better buy good from the start.

by the way E36 and all other models afterward do have 4 separate headlights but they have disappeared behind aerodynamic plastic crap. The only reason why I won't buy newer BMWs, because those BMWs bent and opened it wide too modern aerodynamics, forgetting to design a car that looks gorgeous. your E36 looks good don't worry. but it lacks what I'm looking for in a BMW

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 06:05:06 AM »
thx for the answers.  I'm on the hunt for a M42.. E30... with a decent condition though. I had to do lots of work on my M20. While it has been lots of fun, better buy good from the start.

by the way E36 and all other models afterward do have 4 separate headlights but they have disappeared behind aerodynamic plastic crap. The only reason why I won't buy newer BMWs, because those BMWs bent and opened it wide too modern aerodynamics, forgetting to design a car that looks gorgeous. your E36 looks good don't worry. but it lacks what I'm looking for in a BMW

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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 09:12:44 AM »
You might try a E34 as well, those were awesome if you don't mind the size :)
They have the seperate headlights, and the late E34's the 525i came with the M25TU so it had a timing chain AND vanos!

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2008, 03:16:43 PM »
I've had an e36 M3 (euro spec cause i'm in italy) an e36 318is and an e30 318is... big 6cyl has got more power, more acceleration, etc but of course the weight in the front is much more! (we are talking about old iron-based engine not aluminium like now!). By comparing 300hp powered car with a 500lb engine to an half powered car with nearly the same total weight but a 250lb engine, you may think that the M3 isn't comparable with a tiny 318is, but i have to admit that the balance of a 4cyl is something that cannot be reached with just power! that's also sure that a 6cyl suffers a lot more of understeer cause the weight balance. So, if you just like power and you are not interested in driveability, get a 325; otherwise, if you prefer a well balanced car, even if a bit low powered get a 318is...
Eventually with some extra money a tuned M42 engine can reach 160-165hp quiet easily, which are not so far from the 170 of the M20b25!

IMHO the sound of a tough 4cyl like the M42 isn't even comparable with the unemotional regular sound of a 6cyl like the M20!

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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2008, 10:28:36 AM »
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You might try a E34 as well, those were awesome if you don't mind the size :)
They have the seperate headlights, and the late E34's the 525i came with the M25TU so it had a timing chain AND vanos!


yea the M50 engine in the late 525 is tempting as well. If I had a big garage I would buy one ;)
by the way I already have a 518 E34.. my first buy. It is 4cyl M40 engine with a belt. it drinks much less fuel than my M20B25

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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2008, 10:31:57 AM »
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Eventually with some extra money a tuned M42 engine can reach 160-165hp quiet easily, which are not so far from the 170 of the M20b25!

IMHO the sound of a tough 4cyl like the M42 isn't even comparable with the unemotional regular sound of a 6cyl like the M20!



well mind that i have an euro spec E30 325 without a cat... phase 1.

on paper only it has 171hp but that 1 hp more than the 325 phase 2 makes all the difference.

anyway I want that famed E30 M42. I understand the weight and balance argument of the 4cyl M42. and besides i'm an unable to reduce the consumption of my M20.

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2008, 01:07:38 PM »
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yea the M50 engine in the late 525 is tempting as well. If I had a big garage I would buy one ;)
by the way I already have a 518 E34.. my first buy. It is 4cyl M40 engine with a belt. it drinks much less fuel than my M20B25


518 eh ? Better than a 516 I bet :)

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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2008, 02:51:10 PM »
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518 eh ? Better than a 516 I bet :)


you guys from the US are all laughing ;) but eh that car is unique. very confy. classy and cheap to run. it drives perfectly. the 115 hp are quite enough to take over your average european car.

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2008, 04:14:18 PM »
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you guys from the US are all laughing ;) but eh that car is unique. very confy. classy and cheap to run. it drives perfectly. the 115 hp are quite enough to take over your average european car.


The low displacement 5's and 7's too are all quite nice :)