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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2008, 11:07:57 AM »
Well... mine has TONS of airflow out of the exhaust.  Seems like too much to me.  LOL I've never seen a car that can blow leaves off of the driveway on idle.  I also have a really annoying raspy sound like an exhaust leak between 2k and 4k so I think it might be something about the car rattling.  Could also be an exhaust leak at the header itself I guess.  This would be before the o2 and would cause problems, correct?  When my car does this issue it runs REALLY rich.  

Burn... do you have any kind of exhaust issue/sound at all?


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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2008, 11:26:39 AM »
Exhaust issues are a negative on mine. It has a raspy note around 3500, whenever my tach actually works.

But the air flow is "strong" at idle and when i get into the upper rev range it really sounds good, with a good even tone to the exhaust.

I was at our local meet last night and talking to a VW mechanic that has older GTIs, I was talking to abuddy beside him and telling him about my problem and before i could finish the VW mechanic chimed in and finished my sentence for me with the exact symptoms I was going to say. He said put a new ICV/clean the ICV but the important thing is check the wiring. He said where they place the ICV the wiring can get messed up. He had the same thing happen on all of his GTIs (he likes the early 90s version) and he said replace the vacuum hoses and it should do the trick. That is where I am going to start. Thoughts?
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2008, 05:21:23 PM »
What sends the signal for the TACH, the TPS?
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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2008, 09:12:40 AM »
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What sends the signal for the TACH, the TPS?


I believe it's the crank sensor?  

I already changed everything the VW guy suggested... didn't work.  I think this is going to be something external to the motor based on the above deduction.


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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2008, 12:37:55 PM »
Don't know if this makes any difference, but I'll give you my idle story.

I recently picked up 318is and have driven it for about 3 weeks.  When I started it up when it's cold, it would idle for about 20 seconds and then just die and catch itself and pick back up, if I drove it while it was cold, coming off a stoplight, it would stumble and buck hard, sometimes when it did it, I would see the CEL flash.  As soon as it warms up, it went away.  I usually do PM on my new vehicles, so I started out with the fuel filter and air filter.  When I changed the fuel filter out, I found that the internal element had somehow broken loose and was just jingling inside.  Swapped it out and the car hasn't stumbled on cold start idles since, but it did buck on me one time when it was cold while I was driving.  

I'm still having small idle issues, nothing major like everyone else though.

1. Cold start idle is low, about 800-900, as the engine gets warmer, the idle gets higher, when the engine is fully warm, it idles at 1000-1050.

2.  When you stomp the gas when it's sitting, it has a slight hesistation, but then picks up.

3.  If you leave a stoplight and roll into hard, past 50% throttle, it kind of bucks and stumbles slightly.

Doesn't seem to be the same problems everyone else is having, but none the less, still an M42 problem.

Also, just a few things I've learned, when a cat's clogged, it usually it hotter then normal, I don't know exactly what the normal temp of a cat is a optimum effeciency, but I've heard of clogged cats glowing from the heat.

Also, I've had friends that work in shops that have had sensor problems and noticed that when certain sensors heat up from the engine, they short internally, causing irratic signals.

Just a few things to think about

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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2008, 09:34:24 AM »
Thanks for the heads up, those are some things to think about!


Still can't figure out what it is!
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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2008, 08:56:54 AM »
Neither can I... going to replace the ENTIRE exhaust system and see if that helps.  I think it has a big leak before the o2.  Maybe in the manifold or at the collector.  Will keep you guys updated.


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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2008, 10:18:25 AM »
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Neither can I... going to replace the ENTIRE exhaust system and see if that helps.  I think it has a big leak before the o2.  Maybe in the manifold or at the collector.  Will keep you guys updated.



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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2008, 10:13:31 AM »
Ive been having the same problem with the idle... But something interesting happen to me on my way to work this morning... In the morning i go to put a little oil in (i have an oil leak) and i head off to work...  THe thing is the car was idling beautifully, perfect,  all the way to work, never stumbled once (something that has never happened since i bought it).  Then when im on my last light all of the sudden smoke starts coming out my hood, obviously i get frustrated reach my parking and open the hood... At first i was scared shitless there was oil all over the place, but then i noticed that it was because i forgot to put the oil cap back on.... Because i left the oil cap off, the car idled perfect....  I dunno maybe this could help you guys out as to finding the solution.  

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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2008, 11:05:54 AM »
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Ive been having the same problem with the idle... But something interesting happen to me on my way to work this morning... In the morning i go to put a little oil in (i have an oil leak) and i head off to work...  THe thing is the car was idling beautifully, perfect,  all the way to work, never stumbled once (something that has never happened since i bought it).  Then when im on my last light all of the sudden smoke starts coming out my hood, obviously i get frustrated reach my parking and open the hood... At first i was scared shitless there was oil all over the place, but then i noticed that it was because i forgot to put the oil cap back on.... Because i left the oil cap off, the car idled perfect....  I dunno maybe this could help you guys out as to finding the solution.  

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I don't understand how it could run "better" that way. I drove my 325e with the oil cap off and it felt like i had 1/10 the normal power and felt like the engine... well had a big hole in the top.. sure enough it did, oil cap is major. It does bring the idle down quiet a bit if you run the car without the oil cap. Start by cleaning or replacing the ICV
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« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2008, 01:00:18 PM »
I cleaned the ICV about a week ago (maybe i should think about replacing it)... and i kid you not, the engine was running smooth,,, as for the power, i didnt really check cause i was kinda scared over the smoke coming from my hood... so i kinda pampered it all the way to work

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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2008, 03:12:11 PM »
Any chance that someone has blocked the crankcase vent off. It's that hose that runs from the top left corner of the valve cover, under the intake manifold as part of the nest of hoses there, and then up to some point between the AFM and throttle body.

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Ive been having the same problem with the idle... But something interesting happen to me on my way to work this morning... In the morning i go to put a little oil in (i have an oil leak) and i head off to work...  

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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2008, 06:03:16 PM »
Maybe, im gonna vent the crank to the atmosphere and take a ride to see how she does...

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« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2008, 01:18:29 PM »
Is it possible there is a vacuum leak at the oil cap?  Like maybe the cap isn't sealing correctly or something?  This is weird... and I can't wait for someone (maybe me) to figure this thing out.


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« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2008, 11:08:59 PM »
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I am getting ready to say F it and order a s50 motor :(

me too, im getting frustrated as well

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Is it possible there is a vacuum leak at the oil cap?  Like maybe the cap isn't sealing correctly or something?  This is weird... and I can't wait for someone (maybe me) to figure this thing out.

i have a new cap on, well at least one from an engine that runs fine. i wonder what the "golden key" will be when this is all figured out.