Say I were to design an M42 datalogger...what features would you want to see?

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sheepdog

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For GPS you could probably use one of the Microsoft or Delorme usb GPS as they are pretty cheap.
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For GPS you could probably use one of the Microsoft or Delorme usb GPS as they are pretty cheap.


for big accuracy you need DGPS (GPS with differential corrections) WAAS in USA, or EGNOS in EU
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Track maps.
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2006, 09:40:40 AM »
One thing I recall is that track maps are drawn by driving a lap @ about 90% and following the racing line. The map is then drawn by the software from speed, time and steering input.

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Well, not to sound confused but are you trying to piece together an inexpensive unit? Troubleshooting these things in a car specific mode is a PITA. One of my buddies has the AIM MXL unit from http://www.aimsports.com and it's almost like it's worth the price when you look into it being a package with support. His unit had some issues and they had to send it to Italy to get fixed.

I am not trying to shut you down,I am just trying to see your approach to this as we all know what's often deemed to be a simple get-me-by-kit get's influnced by "might as well" do this elements and then you're  better off with an off the shelf kit.

For GPS readouts on the units it seems there's still a degree of error with regards to "accuracy" with the concept and method used. I forget what the scale was but it converted to a few feet or metres of error or so. I think even the high end ones are susceptible to this as well. Any comments on this?

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for big accuracy you need DGPS (GPS with differential corrections) WAAS in USA, or EGNOS in EU

Accuracy costs money.
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prehaps im wrong....
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2006, 12:59:51 PM »
I think this has escalated waaay out of the context it was originally in .

My first impression before even opening this thread , was that this was a datalogger for parameters used or produced by the engine or computer.
 Stuff like throttle position , fuel injector pulse width , accurate miles per gallon .... not shock travel , shock tower deflection , or frame twist.
 It seems like this has escalated to something the original poster didnt want it to , and now hes streched thin trying to appease the masses.
 I could be wrong tho

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Another hardware source.
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2006, 09:20:47 PM »
In response to jonboy318is's post, I know that I mentioned megabuck systems. However I meant to do so only in the context of showing the hardware used and the possibility that someone that was pretty sharp with electronics would know where to source sensors, etc. at lower cost. If we had OBDII we could buy a unit that interfaced via USB for a few hundred. Perhaps the OBDII logger could be easily adapted to a pre-1996 M42. One folows:
If you want to know the horsepower and torque of your engine, or the 0 to 60 time of your car, or even the 1/4 mile time and speed, the answer can be in the palm of your hand. The PDA-Dyno™ turns your PDA into a Data Logger, a Data Acquisition System, and OBD II Scan Tool.
 
Record several 1/4 mile runs and compare them later, record all data during a road-race, or record your car's gas mileage (mpg) for a specific trip. Do all this and more, by simply connecting your own PDA (Palm, Handspring Visor, Sony Clié) to your car's OBD II connector under the dash, using the supplied OBD II compliant cable (supports all car model years 1996 and newer). A standard 8 MB PDA can hold hours of driving data (depending on free memory space).
  The PDA-Dyno™ can also be used as an OBD II scan tool and supports all Generic OBD II Data such as: SAE J1850 (VPW, PWM); ISO 9141 2 (ISO); ISO 14230 (KWP 2000). Use it to check and clear the Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC), or to turn off the “Check Engine” light. Yes! the one that comes on right after you do all those cool engine mods. Perfect for when you have to get the car smogged.

DISPLAY:
  • General Engine and Vehicle Information
  • Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC)
  • Displays real time sensor data. Up to two sensors can be monitored and graphed simultaneously
  • Up to 5 sensors can be displayed in bar-graph and analog
  • Display the following sensors types:
    • Load Value
    • Vehicle Speed
    • Coolant Temperature
    • Ignition Timing
    • Engine RPM
    • Fuel Trim
    • Mass Air Flow
    • Intake Air Temperature
    • Throttle Position
    • Fuel Pressure
    • Intake Manifold Pressure
    • Oxygen Sensors
    [/LIST]Of course this would depend on the sensors available on the E30 M42.
    Now here's a part we could use and I am sure would sell. One end plugs into our E30 diagnostic plug (with maybe a few loose wires for the extra sensors) and the other into an OBDII socket.

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    Quote from: jonboy318is
    I think this has escalated waaay out of the context it was originally in .

    My first impression before even opening this thread , was that this was a datalogger for parameters used or produced by the engine or computer.
     Stuff like throttle position , fuel injector pulse width , accurate miles per gallon .... not shock travel , shock tower deflection , or frame twist.
     It seems like this has escalated to something the original poster didnt want it to , and now hes streched thin trying to appease the masses.
     I could be wrong tho

    Yeah, you are prettymuch right on.  I am doing this as a sort of after-work fun project.  Maybe someday I would try to sell logging units (more generalized ones for MANY models of cars), but for now it is an enthusiast project.

    Yes, accuracy is not cheap or easy.  It takes copious amounts of time to get good sensor calibration curves, and $ to get good components.  Then not half-assing the MCU coding takes even more time.  I have a little time while I am on my engineering internship (well, a few hours after work anyway).  I just want to play around with making my own, NICE, data acquisition system.

    And yes, originally it was going to be an engine-parameter only setup, that could be used to understand how the engine was tuned from the factory, or by whoever's chip you have in there.  Then from there one could perhaps decide to further fine-tune their motor.  For me, this is an intermediate step of sorts...once I get a fully working DAQ system going, I plan to make a stand-alone ECU.  Rag all you want, I am WELL WELL WELL aware of what cost effective, widely supported/used units are out there.  I built a Megasquirt & used it on the last car, and have lots of respect for the TEC-3 unit.  However, I will not start my own business someday selling Megasquirts, I will need my own products.  Hell, even if it is a side-job, I will at least enjoy what I do, and that is what counts to me.  I just happen to be a part of the BMW enthusiast community, and am a little perturbed that there are not enough cool goodies for the M42.  Poo on the M20.

    As far as wheel speeds, that is fine.  It is just interfacing 4 more VR sensors, and they do not even have to deal with counting missing teeth like the crank damper wheel does.  Shock travel & GPS...hmmm, yeah definitely not gonna lose any sleep over figuring those out.  Perhaps someday, but I feel that engine parameters and wheel speed are a LOT more useful.  There are not that many people out there with coil over suspension (even the ones that DO have it, cmon I know you are not gonna go adjusting the springs every week based upon datalogger readings).  And GPS, well, useful or not, go buy a TomTom or something.  Not that many people track their cars, or care enough to get anything meaningful from the GPS reading.  Lap times are more than sufficient for the enthusiast.

    Haha, and no I am not ragging on anyone here.  I just like to be to the point, and I AM The Godfatherer...I can voice my opinion freely.  Don't like it?  I'll have ya whacked by my coisin Little Tito.
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    little tito FTW

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