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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2006, 10:15:31 PM »
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I'm extremely interested in this because I want more power, but I don't want to swap. I was afraid I would HAVE to swap. If I can get this much for 3-4 grand, I'd rather this than put in another engine for the same price.

Way I see it is I can buy a good M50 motor with wiring harness for $1,600.  So, I figure $3,500 for a realistic M50 motor swap budget, maybe $4,000 when all said and done.  So, with that I've got a higher baseline, and more potential and increased reliability.  

For another $1,000 or so, you could do an S50 or S52 swap.  Even more potential.  

I really want more torque, not hp, so I think the inline 6 swap is the way to go, at least for me.  :cool:

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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2006, 05:28:49 AM »
I'm more interested in the power in higher RPMs. I'm not looking to street race or do smokey burnouts (although they are fun). I'd rather have something that screams up top while I'm rounding a wide turn. I have really looked into swaps, and I'm borderline M50. This just popped up at the right time to possibly sway me to rebuilding the M42 and S/Cing it. I really don't know exactly what I want to do. The idea of the lighter car with the S/C 4 sounds awesome, but then so does having a bigger 6 stuffed in there. I need some sleep.....

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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2006, 10:38:38 AM »
The supercharging the m42 will only add 15lbs to your car allowing your 318 to retain its famed handling abilities (notebly better than the 6's) while also retaining its full economy. I vote for the charger . .  .


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I'm more interested in the power in higher RPMs. I'm not looking to street race or do smokey burnouts (although they are fun). I'd rather have something that screams up top while I'm rounding a wide turn. I have really looked into swaps, and I'm borderline M50. This just popped up at the right time to possibly sway me to rebuilding the M42 and S/Cing it. I really don't know exactly what I want to do. The idea of the lighter car with the S/C 4 sounds awesome, but then so does having a bigger 6 stuffed in there. I need some sleep.....

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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2006, 05:56:38 AM »
I think I'm to the point where I agree. No 6 for me! Now I just need to get the charger, and start doing more suspension. :)

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2006, 08:57:58 AM »
I can shed a little light on the DASC kit for the M44. My other car is a '98 318ti and I've been on the Yahoo group and 318ti.org for years. The DASC kit for the M44 doesn't involve any ECU reprogramming. It bolts right on. One of the downsides of not having new software on these engines in the requirement to retain the DISA valve which is not used by the DASC. If you take it off, you get a CEL. A gentleman named Nick at http://www.techniquetuning.com has produced three different stages of software and various hardware upgrades. His stage three makes 17.5 more hp than just the DASC. This product is only for the M44 engines. I don't know if he plans to do anything with the M42 since this new kit has come out. I suppose if there was enough interest he might be persuaded, but I'm just guessing.

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2006, 08:36:20 PM »
The problem with adding the charger to a E30 rather than E36 example is of engine age.  The lowest you really see as far as miles is in the 120K range on a 15 year old motor.  I say it's only a matter of time before that GRM M42 goes kaput.  Then you're talking about a $2K rebuild plus $4K for the blower (if you don't install it yourself like most here would do).

The above adds to the ever increasing delemma of the M42.  Any way to add power isn't going to be cheap at all, and at that point, even a cheap M52 motor with M3 cams is going to push 220hp and cost WAY less than any M42 option.  I'm all for the M42, but once mine goes, I'm going to wave good bye when it gets replaced by a S50 or S52.  You figure for any performance rebuilt M42, like Febi's, you're looking at a good $4K once the old motor is out, and the new one is in.  You can get a cherry E36 M3 motor for $3500, then figure about $2K in the swap, and you get 210rwhp outta the box for only $1500 more than a new M42.

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2006, 10:34:22 PM »
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You can get a cherry E36 M3 motor for $3500, then figure about $2K in the swap, and you get 210rwhp outta the box for only $1500 more than a new M42.
These figures are commonly quoted but every S52 swap I know of that has been done correctly has run about $7500 including a taller rear end gear if it's an M42 with a lightweight 4.11. rear end.
Still the age of the M42 is a very good point. I also wondered how long they would last on a high mile motor. You know they are going to get pushed.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2006, 10:43:42 PM by D. Clay »

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Great thread!
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2006, 08:33:22 AM »
From the mechanically challenged side of yard, this is great!  First to see the time spent on the hp possibilities and the potential draw backs.  

From what I am seeing the lighter weight of the 318is is a good platform for hp increase.  BUT, the age of the car's guts coupled with the improved output could expedite the aging process.  So do it and sooner or later blow it or do it and enjoy it for how ever long you have it.:confused:

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2006, 01:55:51 PM »
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These figures are commonly quoted but every S52 swap I know of that has been done correctly has run about $7500 including a taller rear end gear if it's an M42 with a lightweight 4.11. rear end.
Still the age of the M42 is a very good point. I also wondered how long they would last on a high mile motor. You know they are going to get pushed.


Wow?!  $7500 total!  :eek:   That's disheartening. :(
Well, I guess after my suspension, I'll only have about $4200 in mine, so what
s another $7.5K?  hehe TOO MUCH for this beater, that's what it is!  

I'll either get my S52 swap done for about $5K, or I'll simply put in a 96-98 328 motor, can't deny 175rwhp outta the box.  M3 cams, M50 manifold, a intake, the cutom built exhaust the car needs anyways, and software, and you're well into the 200-215rwhp range.  Shoot to save money, I'd probably be happy with just the intake, exhaust, M50 manifold, and software.  That should put down just around 200rwhp.

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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2007, 11:22:14 PM »
New member here, but I have saved all of the GRM articles pertaining to the supercharging of the M42.  It has seriously sparked my interest.

I occasionally swap emails with (Roundel guru) Mike Miller.  As some of you may know, he spent 130,000 miles in a 318is.  He's very high on them.

I ran the E36 M3 engine swap by him, and his opinion was that a 6 cyl. motor would ruin the 318is handling.  He likened the contrast as kissing Roseanne Barr or kissing Jennifer Aniston.  That was enough for me.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2007, 11:24:02 PM by RP Kennedy »

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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2007, 08:23:37 PM »
Sure, but I don't think Jennifer Aniston is hot, and god damn, Roseanne Barr is a whole lot of woman. DSLs.
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2007, 10:18:05 PM »
Pardon me while I hurl.

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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2007, 06:33:16 PM »
So can anyone post up the following articles ? I want to see how they fixed the engine's lean problem
somewhat of a teaser...

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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2007, 01:16:53 AM »
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Pardon me while I hurl.


HAHA. nah, do it up. s/c m42 would be SO much fun!!!!
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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2007, 08:20:43 PM »
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So can anyone post up the following articles ? I want to see how they fixed the engine's lean problem


Well...there have been NO follow-up articles.  I have e-mailed GRM twice in recent months wanting to know the same thing.  No response.  My hope is that Downing / Atlanta has the appropriate fuel injectors in their kit.  I'm planning on contacting them to find out, just haven't done it yet.  Need to find and purchase a worthwhile 318is first.

Does anyone have concerns about how a 50% increase in power for the M42 will affect the 318is drivetrain / differential?