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Question on M20 flywheel conversion
« on: May 22, 2006, 09:58:42 PM »
Okay, so what "spacer" are we supposed to pull off the old flywheel.  The write up I read said you had to drill out rivets.  The only spacer ring I can see is a few mm thick and has a bunch of holes in it...  but no rivets.  

Any help here greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2006, 11:19:06 PM »
sorry i cant help you with the question, but whilst you have the bits in front of you can you please post up the part numbers of the flywheel? all i can find in the etk is the dual mass one...

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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2006, 12:43:28 PM »
Okay, so we have the flywheel with the correct spacer in there, and new M42 starter with an M20 drive gear installed.  And, guess what... the starter isn't making good contact with the flywheel.  

Damn these crappy write ups!!   Who out there has actually done this and can shed some light on this.  Is there any spacing that needs to be done with the starter?  Anything better than a repost from a 1998 install would be helpful.  :(

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Question on M20 flywheel conversion
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2006, 04:28:47 PM »
I have done it, and it was a PITA.  The spacer IS needed between the flywheel & crankshaft end.  Otherwise, the flywheel will be contacting the upper oil pan.  When you swapped the starter pinion gears did you have JUST the gear portion, or the whole gear/shaft/planetary gear assembly?  If you JUSt had the gear and cut the retaining ring holding it on the shaft you must replace it or the gear will shoot out too far & likely damage itself & the flywheel.

Ok, assuming you got it all together properly and with the correct parts...what do you mean by "not making good contact?"  Does it sound like its just grinding on the starter ring, or as if it is not contacting anything & spinning freely?  If it sounds like it is spinning freely with no contact, I had the same problem.  I have absolutely no idea what caused it, but the solenoid that kicks the gear out to contact the starter ring stopped working (temporarily).  I removed the starter & partially disassembled it.  I messed around with the solenoid part a bunch, and used a spare 12V car battery to test it.  After smacking it around a bunch and cleaning the contacts within I got it to work again (at a seemingly random point).  That's about all I can offer you, hope it was of some assistance.

BTW
You did get the M20 single-mass FW, right?

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2006, 04:59:42 PM »
Quote from: bmwman91
I have done it, and it was a PITA.  The spacer IS needed between the flywheel & crankshaft end.  Otherwise, the flywheel will be contacting the upper oil pan.  When you swapped the starter pinion gears did you have JUST the gear portion, or the whole gear/shaft/planetary gear assembly?  If you JUSt had the gear and cut the retaining ring holding it on the shaft you must replace it or the gear will shoot out too far & likely damage itself & the flywheel.

You did get the M20 single-mass FW, right?

The ring that holds the starter gear in and pushes it out (engages it) is called the bendix, correct?  I think we changed it and the starter gear over, and that was it.  I think that's all that the article stated to swap over to the M42 starter from the M20.  

It sounds like the gear and the flywheel teeth are making contact but not lining up correctly.  

I did get an M20 flywheel, however, I wonder if there is a difference in the model years.  When I re-read the write up, it does state an '88 to '91 flywheel and pinion gear.  

Does anyone know if the flywheel is different on early model M20's vs. later model ones?  This could be the problem if the # of teeth are different or something.  The gear could be from an early model M20 and the flywheel from a later model or something.  If that's the case, that might explain why they aren't lining up.

I DO have the correct spacer on the front of the flywheel and it does not make contact with the oil pan.

In retrospect, we should have checked the gear with the flywheel and made sure they aligned perfectly before installation, but hindsight it always 20/20, isn't it?  :(

This all basically means my car won't be ready for me to drive it at Barber next weekend, which really makes me pissed!  :mad:   Fortunately my cousin, who just got a '99 M3, still has his old '94 318ti.  
So, I am going to borrow it... thus will have an M42 car to drive.  ;)
« Last Edit: May 24, 2006, 05:03:23 PM by M42boy »

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2006, 05:36:58 PM »
The m20 flywheel also came as a twin mass one. Do you have the pn for the one you have? Interested to see which one i'll need when it comes time to do this myself...

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2006, 05:44:28 PM »
Quote from: doigal
The m20 flywheel also came as a twin mass one. Do you have the pn for the one you have? Interested to see which one i'll need when it comes time to do this myself...

I have a single mass.  I don't have the part number at the moment.  It's in the car.

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Question on M20 flywheel conversion
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2006, 10:27:23 PM »
Well, it sounds like you got the gear from an older one.  The pre-1988 M20's used a dual mass flywheel, with a different starter ring pattern.  BTW, the spacer boes behind the flywheel (between the flywheel & crank, NOT between the bolts & flywheel as it was on the M42 FW).  If you can find a new enough M20 at a wrecker you can get the gear in time for next weekend.

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2006, 01:12:38 AM »
push start FTW

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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2006, 09:32:59 PM »
I like Nick's advice... just park on hills.  ;)

So, hmm...  In Real OEM, it looks like all the starters are the same.  I'm going to go back and check the part number on the stater I pulled the gear from when I'm back home.  

Drop date hath passed...  I'm in Birmingham at Barber this weekend.  Driving my cousin's M44 equipped E36 ti.  Car is pretty good, but definately no E30!  But, I'm EXTREMELY thankful for him to let me use it for the weekend.  Barber is a fantastic track!!!!

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Question on M20 flywheel conversion
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2006, 06:54:33 AM »
I'm going to attempt to do this conversion the following weeks.
Out of what i understood i need like this:
-M20 325i singlemass flywheel
-M20 325i starter (from the same generation as the flywheel)
-M20 spacer between the flywheel and the engine
-M20 325i clutch disc+plate
Am i right?
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2006, 09:29:55 AM »
Quote from: Vladi
I'm going to attempt to do this conversion the following weeks.
Out of what i understood i need like this:
-M20 325i singlemass flywheel
-M20 325i starter (from the same generation as the flywheel)
-M20 spacer between the flywheel and the engine
-M20 325i clutch disc+plate
Am i right?

You will also need a euro-spec 323i T/O bearing.

Vladi...  I've got everything you need to do this conversion sitting in a box in my garage.  PM me for details and we can work out a price.  I was planning to post pictures of everything in the for sale section, but haven't gotten to it yet.

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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2006, 05:31:39 PM »
Unfortunately i'm from far Romania (Europe) and the shipping charges are way too high.
I've got an M40 engine now so the T/O Bearing is the same as the one i need for the swap so i'll just use my M40 one.
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Question on M20 flywheel conversion
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2006, 06:26:58 PM »
Quote from: Vladi
Unfortunately i'm from far Romania (Europe) and the shipping charges are way too high.
I've got an M40 engine now so the T/O Bearing is the same as the one i need for the swap so i'll just use my M40 one.


If you have an M40 engine then you don't have a dual mass flywheel like that on the M42. What is the reason you are converting to the M20 flywheel?

You can easily have weight (at least 2kg) removed from M40 flywheel which is only a little heavier than the M20 fywheel. Save a lot of trouble converting everything else!
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Question on M20 flywheel conversion
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2006, 02:12:22 PM »
I've bought an M42 engine from an E36 1994. :D
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