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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2008, 01:54:42 AM »
is it possible to custom machine a pair of cam sprockets to get the desired cam degree, since the cams can be adjusted +/- 6 degree???

Figures plucked from Brendan purcell's website:

Camshaft : Duration: inlet 252 exhaust 252
Lift: inlet 10.2 exhaust 10.2
Lobe height: 1.8755-1.8803"

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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2008, 04:52:04 AM »
???

Stock cam sprockets are already adjustable, why do you need other adjustable cam sprockets? :confused:

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2008, 08:50:35 AM »
Quote from: Boyracer;48551
???

Stock cam sprockets are already adjustable, why do you need other adjustable cam sprockets? :confused:


bcos it's only +/- 6 degree???
What i mean was whether is it viable/feasible to have higher degree ie 270 using the existing stock camshafts but mate them to custom sprockets.

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2009, 07:37:51 PM »
Which set of cams wild/ mild will maximise the torque/ power if the car isnt going to rev past 7200? below 3k doesnt matter too much too me

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2009, 12:41:37 AM »
Try adjusting the cams first for the hell of it. I am eager to do this myself, but I dont hear a lot of talk of people doing so. From what Ive researched in the past Ive read its best to go +5 on the intake. But Ive never read of someone actually doing it, I would like to know what the best top end adjustment owould be and how it feels.
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2009, 11:04:27 AM »
Quote from: JoeDellio;78069
Try adjusting the cams first for the hell of it. I am eager to do this myself, but I dont hear a lot of talk of people doing so. From what Ive researched in the past Ive read its best to go +5 on the intake. But Ive never read of someone actually doing it, I would like to know what the best top end adjustment owould be and how it feels.


I have a friend that runs a dyno shop and i spent hours playing with cam timing and ended up picking up more power by giving it more fuel pressure, the cam timing adjustment really didn't do anything
cam timing=2hp max
fuel pressure=1hp/1psi increase up to 50psi, ended up picking up 7 hp from fuel pressure alone

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2011, 01:05:50 PM »
Quote from: 1991 E30 M42;78088
I have a friend that runs a dyno shop and i spent hours playing with cam timing and ended up picking up more power by giving it more fuel pressure, the cam timing adjustment really didn't do anything
cam timing=2hp max
fuel pressure=1hp/1psi increase up to 50psi, ended up picking up 7 hp from fuel pressure alone


Did you have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator?

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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2011, 08:19:53 PM »
Quote from: kowalski;44860

in saying wild i was referring to cams.
  9.86 mm lift, and 264 duration is what i have, they made a noticeable difference for sure, but I'm going to bigger this time around.



How would you saw they performed through the rev range? Idle quality? Fuel consumption? Tuning? Anything else you can comment on :)

A review on the forum on what cams are out there whos used them and how they performed in general would be great as this would be a topic that would come up often. Also in conjunction with other popular mods like ITB's.

Are there any rules of thumb? ie 270 degree duration max for street?

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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2011, 09:58:23 PM »
I'm building a stroker motor that will have a great deal of interesting combinations in it. Here is my take on cams…..I chose a profile that should get me close to what I want without having to weld up the cam. Basically, I cut what is called a 250/250 but for better comparisons, I would recommend looking at duration of lift above 0.050" or greater where flow starts to occur. The cam registers 222* degrees of duration at 0.050" lift versus the Schrick 256's at 215* and the MM 258's at 224* degrees. So, you could say that it is fairly close to MM's 258 cam. With a long duration cam, one would need 11:25 compression and above to extract a decent idle and power up top and since I'm only going 10.9:1, this is why I chose  this combo.

One should really look at lift and duration to be related. If you have a lot of lift and no duration, you will have a lobe that looks like an arrowhead. That lobe will beat the heck out of your valvetrain and eventually the cam itself. This cam is similar to what Schrick did, they use a 0.408"(10.36mm) and I used a 0.405"(10.29mm). This is a bit more radical tho as there is more duration at 0.050", 222* versus 215*. So, this cam ends up being perfect for my 10.9:1 compression and for that fact that it doesn't have to be welded up which is a whole other ball game.

When you run this 250/250 combo you should get the most powerband out of the car without having to weld up and nitride the cam. Truth be told, I am not sold on offseting the cam timing as you are going to lose somewhere if you find any gains. I have a strong suspicion that the long duration cams make little power below 4500 which means LOUSY gas mileage and that lots of people are gonna beat you off the line as you try to get past 5K. So, the decision to mate a 250/250 combo to give a very strong low and midrange powerband but yet let you pull strong to about 7500. I suspect the high lift cam pulls to 8000 but I wonder if the power is flat or whether it is still climbing. Long duration, high lift cams seem to pull forever but the car never feels like it is pulling hard but just high, no grunt! This cam set will make it so you don't have to always drive like an a$$hole to feel fast!

I will post once the car is tuned and I have all of the results. It should be interesting to see what my combination of cool parts brings to the table like ITB's.  I'm hoping for some great HP but better yet some awesome TQ across the rev range.

Cheers,
~Ralph
« Last Edit: February 13, 2011, 10:24:34 PM by Warsteiner »

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2011, 02:58:26 AM »
Good info,  I have ITB's an a stand alone ecu and have been looking at various cams, It will be really interesting to hear how your project works out.