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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2008, 05:44:36 PM »
Well, just judging by the wear o nthe cam sprocket teeth I would say you are due for an overhaul.  As stated above, you are doing to be dropping $ no matter what.  Personally, I would opt to do it now rather than later, because later you will need a new timing case housing, which means installing a new profile gasket, which means pulling the head for some people (unless you have some really good steel shims).

You might also blow the motor completely & sieze things up.  The parts for a timing case overhaul NOW will be around $500.  If yo udo it after things self-destruct, you are looking at $750+ if you manage to find a good used timign case, probably more.

Sorry to see that the motor needs the work, it is never fun to have to do it.  My pump blew when I was still a broke-ass college student and I was pissed.  If I hadn't been on an internship at the time, I would not have been able to fix it period.  Best of luck to you!  Drive it gently.

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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2008, 05:54:31 PM »
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You may have a perfectly good engine there. Go ahead and put it back together, put your tensioner in, and do the compression check. If it checks out, you can look around for some deals on the timing parts and do the job yourself. I figure $500 or less if you are patient and take your time finding parts. There are some new gears on e-bay recently for $20 each. Item number: 250220079772. Chain is about $50, rails are about $200.

If you continue to drive it, only bad things will happen, and you might as well start looking for a replacement engine. And remember, used engines come with problems as well.

Not perfectly good.
The sprockets and chain are done.
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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2008, 07:55:36 PM »
well as of now i'm broke too in grade 12 but this summer ill be making $$$ so maybe next winter save up for a swap or sell the car and get another one. i don't know but its not all getting fixed now. but the car is in bomb shape and and its so nice i don't want to sell it i would like to save some $ for a swap, not sure what i would put in it.

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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2008, 08:42:28 PM »
and picking around for parts would not be a bad idea when i get it all sped the $ for a shop to do it, or read up allot and do it. so what would be the exact parts i would be replacing?

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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2008, 12:23:12 PM »
May just want to look around, you can find M42 and M44 engines for a couple hundred bucks. I paid $200 for mine. Bmwman91 replaced his whole timing chain housing assembly for less than that if I recall.
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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2008, 02:39:25 PM »
Quote from: sheepdog;43737
May just want to look around, you can find M42 and M44 engines for a couple hundred bucks. I paid $200 for mine. Bmwman91 replaced his whole timing chain housing assembly for less than that if I recall.


ya i'm going to start looking around

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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2008, 07:27:54 AM »
wow Sheepdog, that's quite cheap. Here in Europe, we can't find such deals!

Perhaps it's a good idea to make a thread an rethink some things about the M42 and its distribution.

I opened my old M42 last weekend, wich is one of the thirst M42's, November '89. The guide rails where broken in pieces and the timing chain slipped a tooth or two. But when I took of the carter, only thing I found where pieces of the timing chain. No lose bolts. The engine had 224k km's on it (140 000 miles), still with the original tensioner.
My other M42 which is an '90 or '91 engine, had only 140 000(86 000 miles) on it, according to the odometer and that had three lose bolts in the oil pan, also with the original tensioner.
I replaced the tensioner now and am getting a rattle noise from 3000 to 4000rpm. A friend of mine's, with an M42 with only 64 000 miles on it has the same noise around the same revband. I think he had his tensioner changed, because he bought it from a BMW dealer.

I do have heard from M42's around here who easily do 300 000km (186 000miles) and more without an overhaul, only changing the tensioner from time to time.

My opinion is, if the car is still in good shape and you like it, replace the distribution. You'll be happy afterwards.
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« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2008, 11:16:11 AM »
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wow Sheepdog, that's quite cheap. Here in Europe, we can't find such deals!


May want to take a trip to Germany.
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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2008, 07:03:30 PM »
put the tensioner in today and the bolts are all back in and filled the oil up but its a little low so ill get more oil tomorrow before i start it. before i put the tensioner in i tried to get as much oil in it as i could. slid it in and stuck a socket extension down from the top of the motor because the vc is still off. touched it it came out the chain went snug, so i don't need to rev it to pop it. thanks for all the help see how it works tomorrow.

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« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2008, 12:08:02 AM »
Quote from: sheepdog;43737
May just want to look around, you can find M42 and M44 engines for a couple hundred bucks. I paid $200 for mine. Bmwman91 replaced his whole timing chain housing assembly for less than that if I recall.


Kinda, lol.

I paid $80 for a used timing case, shipped, plus like $30 for profile gaskets & the big huge back one, & the cover gaskets.

However, I had dropped ~$510 on rebuilding all the timing parts & t-stat like 4 months prior.  Trust me, I was pissed when the oil pump blew & I had to tear it all apart again.

So, the initial job is around $500 for the overhaul.  Bank on at LEAST another $150ish if you blow the pump, assuming you get a killer deal from someone on a forum!

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« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2008, 12:09:19 AM »
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put the tensioner in today and the bolts are all back in and filled the oil up but its a little low so ill get more oil tomorrow before i start it. before i put the tensioner in i tried to get as much oil in it as i could. slid it in and stuck a socket extension down from the top of the motor because the vc is still off. touched it it came out the chain went snug, so i don't need to rev it to pop it. thanks for all the help see how it works tomorrow.


Did you pull the lower oil pan & look around?  If there are no chunks of chain, you may be OK in the immediate future.  Check it again after maybe 5000 miles.

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« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2008, 06:10:18 AM »
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May want to take a trip to Germany.


I'm a lot on ebay germany :) M42's go mostly for around 400 euros
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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2008, 08:32:30 AM »
just got it all together and running, can hear it a little and a certain rpm but its nothing. not going to worry about it.

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« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2008, 08:36:58 AM »
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i live in Canada so i don't get free shipping for parts and stuff like in the us and the only place around i can get stuff like that is the dealer. and i don't want to wait for shipping and stuff.

here's a little help to my fellow canadian:
www.autopartsonlinecanada.com

you can get free shipping on orders over 75$
the tensioner is 65$ (buy for 10$ of whatever and get free shipping)
i bought a fan clutch last summer from them, it got delivered fast and was a OEM
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« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2008, 02:26:00 PM »
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just got it all together and running, can hear it a little and a certain rpm but its nothing. not going to worry about it.


You might get 10-20k out of it.
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