Why is a 31.8IS better then a 32.5I? or is it not?

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no1_jazz

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Why is a 31.8IS better then a 32.5I? or is it not?
« on: December 24, 2007, 09:12:50 AM »
Hi Guys, I have a 31.8IS of my own and absolutely love it BUT I have been speaking to a lot of people who also own a 32.5I. They all tell me that it’s waste of money trying to improve performance and sped on the 31.8IS.

Clearly working with something smaller would mean more money spending but working with something bigger means less money spending,

After talking to many other who love what we do the 31.8IS I feel good but what dose let me down is that when I speak to 32.5i owners, they give me cold shoulder because they always do make me realise how much more money I would be spending on the 3.18IS so that its just about could give a decent run with the 325i.

The 31.8IS is a well put car that is really fun to drive and again gives the power delivery when you slam on the throttle to the floor.

I mean I love my 31.8IS and I am never going to sell it I just want as much speed and stability out of it as possible. I want to get that power delivery in most importantly in 5th gear when you slam your foot down from around 100mph I want her to fly about up to 130mph with ease and then 145mph – 150mph screaming her nipples off lol

So guys shall I go and get a 2.5 engine conversion or shall I go ahead and keep the 31.8IS and why?

Cheers Jazz

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Why is a 31.8IS better then a 32.5I? or is it not?
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2007, 11:17:23 AM »
325i's are not fast as you describe, yes they are faster than a 318is but not fast at all by todays standards.  It sounds like you need a Camaro or a Mustang.  e30's are a different kind of fun.

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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2007, 11:39:37 AM »
Quote from: haledj;39975
325i's are not fast as you describe, yes they are faster than a 318is but not fast at all by todays standards.  It sounds like you need a Camaro or a Mustang.  e30's are a different kind of fun.


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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2007, 11:45:24 AM »
so is the 31.8IS a better car? and why?
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2007, 12:31:35 PM »
Talke a look at the 0-60 and quarter mile times. The 325 guys love to claim they are faster, but in all honesty, the amount is not all that much.  Their problem stems from using the Butt Dyno and not knowing how to properly drive our cars.

They get in, sit down, and hit the gas like a 325. They tend to drive at a range below our power band, so of course it feels sluggish. The 318 is about revs, the 325 is about low end power. You have to drive them for the power band they have, which means driving a 318 like you literally stole it. They do not do that and are often worried about what the owner will say. They avoid redline, we live there.


As for what is better, we have less maintenance, higher mileage, slightly better handling.
They have a few more power mods and slightly better acceleration.

Put both on a track and in many cases the 318 will beat the 325 and flat out destroy much more expensive and newer cars.


As for which is better, that is personal opinion.
I have met a few guys who have had both, and while they love the 325's power, especially after modding, all said they longed for the 318 handling and often wish they had kept it. The ones who could afford a Metric Mechanic engine (yes there are a few out here) all wished they had the 318IS with a Metric m42 instead of the Metric M20 as it is a better combo.

Again, all personal preference though. The problem is most people have only driven one of the 2, those who have driven both do not drive both properly so the 318 gets a bad rap.

Personal opinion... I love the 318 better. You can only go so fast on the street anyhow and I prefer the less maintenance and better mileage. In my opinion the M42 offers the best dual purpose, great street handling and mileage, coupled with great spirited driving when you want it. Is it the fastest thing out there? No, but it is plenty fast when you start hitting the corners.
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2007, 02:43:16 PM »
They both have their merits. The m20 might be a bit more durable and it is torquier. The m42 saves you a little more weight (I LOVE light weight cars) and loves to rev. For a long time, I debated which one was better for me. When gas prices spiked a couple of years ago, the choice became obvious.
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2007, 03:28:57 PM »
The 325i is not a bad car and it is faster than a 318is. I have owned a 325i that was in mint condition and since it was "healty" it was much faster than any other 325 I have tryed.

Off cource now I own a 318is and I definently see the benefits of the lighter engine, the turn in is in another world!
I miss the power of the 325, but the difference is not that big that I would give up the handling of the 318.

The milage is not that different. 325 uses a bit more on city driving, but I have had both at 0,67l pr 10km.

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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2007, 04:31:47 PM »
Any e30 is slow in a straight line period...if you want to go fast and have alot of power get a faster car.  Personally i'm not a big fan of tons of hp, because in reality you never really get to use it..even on the track. For example my last track day I kept up with a 360 modena in the turns, and eventually made him spin out :D  they say a stock 318is is the "poor mans E30 M3".  I used to own a 325is and that was really fun to drive, but I chose the 318is because it seemed to be more balanced, and raw.

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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2007, 07:57:50 PM »
Having only driven the 318is out of the two, i can safely say ignorance is bliss!

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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2007, 12:11:28 PM »
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Any e30 is slow in a straight line period...if you want to go fast and have alot of power get a faster car.  



This E30 is fast as hell.  :p

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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2007, 12:31:07 PM »
Guys to all of you thans alot and sorry for this late reply.

so what shal i do i understand that the IS makes a overall better track car and is more fun to drive as well as more miles to the tank but now talking about preformance and upgrading power delivery with the IS. I mean is it worth it? i tend to keep this car as a street race car no major big racese on tracks and stuff but just a nice fast street car. shall i go ahead and get the 2.5 is im looking for more power or is it worth spending money on the IS

All help much appreciated

Many Thanks
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Sounds like the decision's already made
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2007, 02:53:08 PM »
Hi Jazz,

Looking at this last message from you, it seems like you could care less about cornering ability, agility and the like. It actually sounds like you really don't know what you want, other than all out power. Here is some advice... THINK BEFORE YOU BUY. Think about what you want to do with the car.

Is this going to be a work car, or are you just going to use this car to go to the local cruising spot, pick some road battles and that's pretty much it?

The advise you've gotten on this thread is more than enough to make a decision... based on what you want to do. If you are a young driver, stick with your 318is. Learn the way it eats the curves and craps them out like a greasy hamburger. My buddy who owned one of these before I got one told me that this car will teach you how to drive, and let me tell you, it has.

In a straight line, no, the 18 isn't faster, but unless you live in Kansas where all you have is straight, flat roads, having a car that can handle is just about better than power. If you want power, an impressive idea is call Atlanta Downing and get one of the Super Chargers and strap that on for at least 50 if not more horses with not even a hundred pounds of extra weight.

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2007, 02:55:48 PM »
I think the answer is that the M20 325 is not going to provide what you are looking for to any significant degree over the 318is. If you are looking for a significant power boost in your e30 you need to put an M50 or S50 six into it.

Then you can look down your nose at those 325 owners who have been dissin' your 318is, because they aren't going to be able to touch you.

Numbers wise a '93-'95 M50 motor with no other modifications than a chip will put out about 211 hp (compare that to a '93-'97 Mustang GT at 215 hp and 300-400 pounds more weight)

These are common and not too difficult swaps (lots of kits available) and with an M50 transplant you won't spend much more than you would to hop up an M20 motor to get far less hp.

The ultimate of course is the M3's S50 motor. The swap is about identical but the motor will cost you 4 times as much. But now you are talking '95 Cobra power hp levels.
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2007, 03:59:04 PM »
He actually said he wants his car to "scream its nipples off". I lawl'd just now.

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2007, 08:18:33 PM »
Yes, the M42 is a great motor to wind the snot out of:D