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« on: November 27, 2007, 11:50:24 PM »
hey guys i was wondering i have the 42 for the ti and i was wondering would it be ok if i used premium instead of regular?? i know its more $$ but i want to see what the differense is between the two how much MPG i can save
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 12:01:13 AM »
91 is required for the E30 version of the M42.  I dunno what your owner's manual says, but I'd go with whatever it says regarding octane: if it says 89, don't bother with 91, but if it says 91, you definitely shouldn't be putting anything less in.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2007, 03:25:08 AM »
I use 89 octane in my E30 318is and from what I can see online, 95's take 89 octane as well.
You could try premium but I doubt you'll save any money.

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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 01:04:55 PM »
Mccabe, you may want to check your owners manual, e30 m42's need 91.

A couple guys have tried running lower octane and have destroyed the engines over time because of it. It beats up the bearings.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 01:55:30 PM »
i have a question my car says to put premium so since the day i got it i have been putting super (octane 91) but if ur car says u can use 89 wut damage will you create if you use 91
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 05:21:39 AM »
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i have a question my car says to put premium so since the day i got it i have been putting super (octane 91) but if ur car says u can use 89 wut damage will you create if you use 91


The only thing that realistically gets damaged when you use a higher-then-necessary octane is your wallet.

You can go up, but you shouldn't go down.

IOW, if your car says you need to use a minimum 89-octane fuel, 91 won't hurt, but 87 might. Newer cars with knock sensors and such probably won't be damaged by using the lower octane, but our cars don't have knock sensors, so you need to use the premium stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2007, 01:04:40 AM »
ok so the owners manual says i should use at least 89 AKI 1 or 95 RON 2 what the hell do these mean??
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2007, 07:53:50 AM »
Measurement methods

The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the Research Octane Number (RON). RON is determined by running the fuel in a test engine with a variable compression ratio under controlled conditions, and comparing these results with those for mixtures of isooctane and n-heptane.

There is another type of octane rating, called Motor Octane Number (MON) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed, and variable ignition timing to further stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON.

In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in the United States, Canada and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the US and Canada, would be 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2, and even deliver 98 (RON) or 100 (RON).

The octane rating may also be a "trade name", with the actual figure being higher than the nominal rating.[citation needed]

It is possible for a fuel to have a RON greater than 100, because isooctane is not the most knock-resistant substance available. Racing fuels, straight ethanol, AvGas and liquified petroleum gas (LPG) typically have octane ratings of 110 or significantly higher - ethanol's RON is 129 (MON 102, AKI 116) reference[2]. Typical "octane booster" additives include tetra-ethyl lead and toluene. Tetra-ethyl lead is easily decomposed to its component radicals, which react with the radicals from the fuel and oxygen that would start the combustion, thereby delaying ignition. This is why leaded gasoline has a higher octane rating than unleaded.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2008, 12:24:44 PM »
ok thanks man!! that really helps!!
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2008, 02:43:00 PM »
biggest crock in this area is the amount of ethanol in the fuels.

In iowa midgrade is the cheapest fuel by about 10 cents a gallon less than regular due to high ethanol content.  It doesn't run well at all, drops fuel economy from ~26 highway to about 20 mpg highway, and stumbles when its cold out.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2008, 12:00:54 PM »
pbgd u live in the chicagoland right? what type of gas do u use? i think i'm gonna use the middle grade 89 octane. thanks red is!!
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 12:34:40 PM »
One problem here is this...

You own a BMW, yet are too cheap to put the proper gas in it.
Worse, the price difference is usually no more than $1.40 per tank.

Why do you even want to risk it for a lousy $1.40?

With the amount of maintenance we do due to prior owners and just regular maintenance, this seems like VERY cheap insurance if nothing else. All it will take is getting a slightly bad batch of gas and you are going to be adding octane booster or siphoning the tank.

If you are concerned about your $1.40, sell your car now.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2008, 04:52:27 PM »
We drive 17 year old bmws most of which cost $1000 or less. Still going strong on 87. I'll let you know when i blow it up.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 10:24:04 PM »
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I use 89 octane in my E30 318is and from what I can see online, 95's take 89 octane as well.
You could try premium but I doubt you'll save any money.


My 97 318ti only required 89 octane. Not sure about the 95s, although I believe this is discussed at length on 318ti.org. My 91 318is requires 91 octane or higher, which is what it gets. This is a good instance to follow your owners manual.
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