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« Reply #90 on: January 09, 2010, 10:02:58 AM »
People are always asking me about my 318i since I had it repainted last summer.  Whenever I go to the gas station off the New Jersey Turnpike or I95, people are blown away that it's a four cylinder.  Keep in mind these are the same people that want to tailgate you and challenge you on the highway.  Then when they pull into the gas station behind you they have that deer in the headlight look in their eyes once they understand they were smoked by a small BMW engine.  Americans have always under estimated German four cylinder engines.  When I came back from Germany in 1986, all the local city police departments in North Carolina were using 5 speed Volkswagon Rabbits for speeders inside the city limits.  At first everyone laughed, but none of the so-called American muscle cars were laughing when they found out they could not out run or out manuveur the Rabbits.  It's all about the timing in shifting and knowing when the right time is to shift.

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« Reply #91 on: January 09, 2010, 11:16:13 AM »
You'll all have to share your driving secrets with me.  I can't outrun a UPS truck.
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« Reply #92 on: January 09, 2010, 11:40:16 AM »
LOL!!!  That's so funny!!!  I was going to replace the engine with an S52 when I first bought it.  I've been very lucky with this engine.  It was already in good shape when I bought the car, but it leaked from everywhere. I've replaced practically every seal and gasket, power steering pump, a K&N air filter in air box, new belts, water pump, hoses, new radiator, and had the fuel injectors cleaned.  Once I did all that, she runs like a new car now.  It's like night and day now from how it used to be two years ago, plus I have no problem passing UPS or Fed Ex!!!
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« Reply #93 on: January 09, 2010, 11:47:27 AM »
Im getting old, so my driving desires are not what they used to be. I am happy wiht sport springs and billy sports, etc, dont need to go full race or turbo.
Ive been driving and twisting wrenches on eurpean cars since the 60's. Iv owned jags, triumps, mg, healeys, ricers, big block american stuff, a 67 shelby clone. I used to race triumphs and used to road race ricer motorcycles in the 70's ( marlborro, summit point, the glenn, daytona, and got to drive on , but not race , on the "ring")
but I have to say, that right now, my 91 318ic is one of the best I have owned. it is modded, but it is reliable, fun to drive, nice balance,good power and curve for a 4 banger, comfortable, and good gas milage too. On a nice day, with the top down on a nice twisty road as the idiots fade into the mirrors, I feel young again

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« Reply #94 on: January 09, 2010, 04:59:22 PM »
Couldn't have said it better myself.  Hard to find a car that's this much fun for this little money.  Too bad BMW stopped making them.  I'm not planning on "trading up" to a newer BMW; they won't make a car like this again.
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« Reply #95 on: January 09, 2010, 06:28:03 PM »
I am an old guy also (62) & have owned over 30 cars & trucks, 2 motorcycles & and a self made experimental airplane. For pure adrenalin rush my airplane wins hands down. For spirited driving, my 1993 318is 5sp is the best car, considering all compromises, that I have ever driven.  I got a new 318i 5sp in 95 for my wife. She would not let me touch it....so I never really explored it. She owned it 11 years. In December, my neighbor "gave me" his 1993 318is. He had owned it for 17 years. The car had/has a lot of problems….the interior & non working windows mainly.  Still It needs ignition wires, left front  wheel bearing & clutch slave cylinder but...it still runs good (176,000 miles now) All the problems have not been fixed yet but the car is drivable...after new struts/shocks & front end work.  I have owned (5) Fiats...mostly Spiders & 1 Sport Coupe, great fun cars. The 318is 5sp is way better than the Fiats. Fiat is an old design that goes back to 1966. It was the first production car with a belt driven over head cams. The Japanese stole the technology & look at all the belt driven motors out since then.  I also like my 318is 5sp better than my friend's 2nd generation Miata (with many mods)

                Comments on my M42 5Sp & other 4 cylinder BMW

  The first thing I did after the car was given to me was immerse myself into the internet to try to find out everything about my car. I joined every BMW forum that I could find. Then I started to go over every thread that covered the non working window problems, the door panel problems, struts, engine…everything. The internet is the greatest information tool ever created. There is one thing one must have in order to be successful getting the correct information from the internet …a very accurate “BS meter” Without this meter you will be totally lost.  The bimmerforum & Bimmerfest forums can be very helpful but are very frustrating. On those forums, whenever I asked a question, there was a whole series of shotgun answers & many answers did not make any sense. Thus the importance of the “BS meter” Bimmerfest is  better but still frustrating. Once the members of those forums found out that my car was a 4 cylinder, many of them just dismissed me as somewhat of a  “lesser being”   After much frustration & reading through hundreds of post & asking questions, I could not find out how to fix my windows. After a week, I found an article on the net somebody had written (not in those 2 forums) detailing how to fix the windows. This article chronicled the problem & the solution with detailed step by step instructions with pictures. My windows work now.
  I found the M42club.com site later. For me, this site is great for engine, clutch & transmission related information. On this site one does not get hounded & belittled for driving a 4 cylinder. It is much easier to find/get clear & detailed information. Also, the members on this site must be, on average, a little older than the other sites. There is nothing wrong with being young…it is just that younger members sometimes are more interested in bling , looks & 20” wheels. We need young people more but…hey don’t forget about us old farts… we want to have fun too. You should see the cars & motorcycles we had to work with back in our day.
  After a while, one starts to believe the “Sixers” & finds oneself feeling as a second class 4 cylinder citizen.   Who wants a bunch of people saying that our car is somewhat less worthy because it has 4 not 6 cylinders & it's actually a “piece of crap”? Anyway our cars, driven correctly, yield plenty of performance.  Keep the RPM’s above 3,500 & they scoots. The handling of the 4 cylinder is better than most 6. Driving the twisties, not drag racing, is where it’s at. This car loves to go around curves. One can have a lot of fun without pushing the envelope too. Wiping out & ending in the middle of a cow pasture is no fun…ask me how I know.

Coming soon…COP ignition, Mark D chip, CAI, fix the mess under the intake, thermostat & the interior (little by little)……last but not least, paint.

  Anyway, these 4cylinder BMW’s (all of them) are a lot of fun to drive & work on. Some of them are well meaning but don’t let the “Sixers” get you down.

Ivan from Sugar Land, Texas.
1993 318is 5sp / gen 3 Mustang injectors / Mark D 91/7000RPM / Z3 shifter / Ford O2 Sensor

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« Reply #96 on: January 09, 2010, 10:36:15 PM »
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After a while, one starts to believe the “Sixers” & finds oneself feeling as a second class 4 cylinder citizen.   Who wants a bunch of people saying that our car is somewhat less worthy because it has 4 not 6 cylinders & it's actually a “piece of crap”? Anyway our cars, driven correctly, yield plenty of performance.  Keep the RPM’s above 3,500 & they scoots.

I've owned many four cylinders.  They just seem to have more soul than the bigger cars.

Here's a good example...my long-lost SAAB 900.  The car was unique.  Not fun to maintain, but it has gobs of personality.  What about the newer GM-built ones?  Better cars?  Absolutely...more reliable, cheaper to run, easier to work on, much faster.  But just not any fun at all.

The 2002 was a fabulous car.  People pay far more for them than they cost new.  Was the e21 323i more fun?  No way, it's just not as raw and honest as the '02.

The VW GTI was really a great car until they put that VR6 in it.  Sure the VR6 is faster, but the four-banger was a better car.  Happily you can get that 1.8 turbo now.

The Honda CB750 is as close to the perfect motorcycle in its day as anyone has ever built.  How about a CBX?  Sure it's faster...but better?  No way.

Speaking of Honda...what have they run in the Civic Si since day one?  Yup...the inline four.  Let's hope they never ruin that one!
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« Reply #97 on: January 10, 2010, 01:48:40 AM »
I just wish teh 4 cyl had teh torque of a 6. thats all .

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« Reply #98 on: January 10, 2010, 12:58:39 PM »
Of all the motors I'm jealous of, the GM 3800 is the oddest.  That's right, the eternal 90deg V6 bastardized small block...  Every time I drive one I'm impressed by the power, torque & fuel efficiency.  It's heavy at 400 pounds (nearly twice as much as our M42/M44).  Unfortunately it's always stuck in a Pontiac minivan or something.  It also has the red line of a truck.

The turbo & supercharged versions easily do 300HP with a few hop-up parts.  Twice the weight, twice the power...I'd figure that'd make a great engine swap.  I wouldn't give up an M42 for it, but imagine that motor in an old 5-series or a broken 750iL...the newer BMWs alrady carry GM trannys, what could be easier?
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« Reply #99 on: January 10, 2010, 02:20:21 PM »
I have to admit the GM 3800 engine is very impressive.  It is in practically every Buick, Pontiac, and Cheverolet.  You cannot kill that engine, extremely reliable,  and it gets very impressive power and fuel economy.  GM also had another V6 they discontinued, the 4.3 V6 that was in the Sonoma and S10.  Gm went to the inline 5 with the Canyon and Colorado which was a big mistake.  It had less power, fuel economy, and towing capaciity.  Toyota and Nissian saw their mistake and capitalized big time on small truck sales world wide.  If GM ever gets rid of their 3800, they will never survive in the auto industry period.  That engine is what has kept them alive and their customers loyal.  I saw on a Barret Jackson Auto Auction a E36 M3 with an LS1 Corvette engine conversion and it sold for $20,000.00  I would be impressed to see a supercharged 3800 in an E30 BMW.

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« Reply #100 on: February 23, 2010, 02:47:54 PM »
Hey People,

What is the curb weight of the e30 318is?
Is it that much lighter then the e36?

My 1993 318is seems pretty zippy to me, and corners incredibly. I also have a 1999 e36 323i vert that seems very front end heavy after driving the 318, though it does accelerate faster.

140 HP in my little 318 seems pretty nice, and driving from Maryland to Florida I averages 36.5 MPG at 75 to 80 mph.

The 17 gallon tank let me make the trip of 960 miles with only one stop for gas.

You gotta' love this car.

(Though right now I am not as happy with it because I am in the middle of replacing the timing case profile gasket. This is a tough and complex job. I hope it runs again when I am done. I would hate to trash a car with only 56,000 miles on it.)
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« Reply #101 on: February 23, 2010, 03:09:15 PM »
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Of all the motors I'm jealous of, the GM 3800 is the oddest.  That's right, the eternal 90deg V6 bastardized small block...  Every time I drive one I'm impressed by the power, torque & fuel efficiency.  It's heavy at 400 pounds (nearly twice as much as our M42/M44).  Unfortunately it's always stuck in a Pontiac minivan or something.  It also has the red line of a truck.

The turbo & supercharged versions easily do 300HP with a few hop-up parts.  Twice the weight, twice the power...I'd figure that'd make a great engine swap.  I wouldn't give up an M42 for it, but imagine that motor in an old 5-series or a broken 750iL...the newer BMWs alrady carry GM trannys, what could be easier?


the gm 4.3 is another goodie. basicly a 350 with the back 2 cylinders choped off.  there is a guy that drag races a chevy luv with a superchared 4.3 in it with a power glide behind it. its stupid fast.

my fav non bmw engines are the 6bt 12v cummins and the 4bt 8v 4pot cummins. ive got a 4bt out of a bread truck id like to put in a 325 body haha
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« Reply #102 on: February 23, 2010, 08:45:25 PM »
Yeah the 4.3 is an extremely good engine.  I had a 2001 GMC Sonoma that had a 4.3 V6.  It was a strong engine with a lot of low end torque and decent power when I towed something 6000 lbs. or less.

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« Reply #103 on: February 23, 2010, 10:16:51 PM »
The 2002, and the M10 engine (which was eventually modified to produce 1500hp, reliably!) put BMW on the fucking map. It had perfect weight distribution, was a blast to drive, and had FOUR CYLINDERS. You'd have to be a REAL BMW fan to understand the beauty of the M42 powered e30.
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« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2010, 11:05:25 PM »
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The 2002, and the M10 engine (which was eventually modified to produce 1500hp, reliably!) put BMW on the fucking map. It had perfect weight distribution, was a blast to drive, and had FOUR CYLINDERS. You'd have to be a REAL BMW fan to understand the beauty of the M42 powered e30.


i started out in a 2002. it was a red 77 model fitted with 4 side draft webers. hood and fenders were miss matched and so were the doors. i drove that thing untill it wouldnt pass inspection.  the m10 is still in my shop. ive got another m10 build going now. fuel injected m10 from a e21 320i. its going in a 84/5 318i 2 door.
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