Author Topic: Rough calculations for my project... Canadian $ (Read 11974 times)

Gunni · « **Reply #15 on:** April 08, 2006, 06:49:20 AM »

Engine management system : $350 (SMT6 User kit) you can run added injectors with this the respond to boost, so more boost more opening time, also ignition control wich is boost dependent, this is piggyback so no need for dyno time to tune, just get a Wideband controller as well.

The TIC system is $620.

Zeitronix Wideband controller : $279,
This will allow you to monitor
TPS, RPM, Lambda, AFR, spend more and you can monitor EGT and MAP.

This covers engine control side of things,

For a turbo manifold you can have any exhaust shop do a adapter for your
choice of turbo,

Then find your self a decently sized intercooler

Turbo that will be sufficient,

"3 exhaust

I guess we are looking at $3k US dollars and HP output running 10 psi ~ 270 or cirka something like that,

If you bust you engine you can buy another used one for little money and toss that in there,

Don�t get me wrong, I�m not agains strokers or NA power, but if you are doing this based on HP / $ then turbo always wins,

I have a busted S50B30 Euro in my garage,
10psi on that = 500+

, but I�m not going to rebuild it FI but NA

asubimmer · « **Reply #16 on:** April 08, 2006, 01:08:50 PM »

WOW!!!

600 hp M42 @ 34 psi with PT67 turbo.

kowalski · « **Reply #17 on:** April 08, 2006, 01:09:45 PM »

im not boilding a NA engine, its going to be FI i just want the extra displacement, and also the comfort knowing its a rebuilt bottom end, also i want the tolerances tightend up.

and for a good turbo settup you would need a new set of cams but other then that that sounds like a pretty good settup. i was speaking with my friend the other day and he brought up super chargers... this seems like a much more cost effective route with a whole lot less headache and a more reliable settup. i wouldn't need all the extra piping, no custom exhaust manifold or intercooler. no worries about mounting it and plumbing it. instant power, no lag... sure buying a supercharger outright is like 2 grand, but after that its just a custome intake some injectors and an managment system. what doy ou guys think? as far as i found the only negatives with a SC is that the peak power of a sc isn't as high as a turbo, but im not going to be running 34 psi like somone... ahh soo much to think about... i'm gona go later this week to see if i can't find a shop that specializes in sc's and see if they have anything that i can adapt.

nickmpower · « **Reply #18 on:** April 08, 2006, 10:49:09 PM »

I might want a dampener depending on price.

why are you having other rods made?

drysump?

and get all the gears and stuff for the timing too. There is even an updated version for the cam ones

Gunni · « **Reply #19 on:** April 09, 2006, 02:08:23 PM »

somehow I thought this was to be a NA engine, but
since it�s going to be FI anyway then obviously getting quality parts is smart,

I vote getting the engine management in first, it will make all tuning and mods later alot easier,

why other cams?

kowalski · « **Reply #20 on:** April 09, 2006, 02:54:15 PM »

Quote from: Gunni

somehow I thought this was to be a NA engine, but
since it�s going to be FI anyway then obviously getting quality parts is smart,

I vote getting the engine management in first, it will make all tuning and mods later alot easier,

why other cams?

different cams are used for turbo motors then for FI motors, and a cam can make all the difference in the power that you make.

i will be building the engine on a seperate block in the garadge so i can drive my car while im building the engine. i have extra sproket gears already so i will just use those. i'm having other rods made because they need to be shorter then the ones in the engine right now because the stroke on the crank is going to be longer. and as for the price on the pulley i will be able to let you know after my brother makes me one.

edit: as for drysump i'm not really sure... it depends on the prices of everything else as time progresses. if i end up spending less money then i will have some left over for other modds so we'll see what happens.

Gunni · « **Reply #21 on:** April 09, 2006, 04:50:31 PM »

You don�t NEED different cams but they obviously can change the power
output alot, and the feel of the motor.

kowalski · « **Reply #22 on:** April 09, 2006, 06:56:11 PM »

exactly, and i'm trying to get as much power out of it as possible without pumping too much boost through it. I also know the guy who grings me the cams so it saves a little money. and i want to do everything inside the engine the first time arround so i don't have to rip it appart again.

kowalski · « **Reply #23 on:** April 10, 2006, 08:55:06 PM »

i visted a local shop that specializes in forced induction, turns out they also have they're own standalone management system, microtech they've got some pretty crazy stuff there... a 1.3L putting out 800bhp, 710 at the wheels...
so i was talking with him for a bit and he said with the stroker motor he expects to be seeing 550hp out of it, thats daily driven, and reliable.

their systems look a lot tidier and easier then megasquirt... but they're also a little more money.

edit: one of the guys that works there dail drives a 350hp 1.3L with stock internals.

nickmpower · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2006, 09:29:35 PM »

hahahaha 550 thats so fucking crazy and awsome. I will definatly be doing this in the next several years

kowalski · « **Reply #25 on:** April 18, 2006, 02:33:46 PM »

well i'm going to be hearing back later this week about whether or not i get the job i'm aiming for which will provide me with ample funds for this project... but its looking very promising so far! which means this baby could be done in 4 months or so:)

2002maniac · « **Reply #26 on:** April 18, 2006, 07:31:42 PM »

Instead of shorter rods I would order custom pistons with a higher pin location. You want the rods as long as possible to maintain a good rod ratio.

kowalski · « **Reply #27 on:** April 18, 2006, 07:32:59 PM »

Quote from: 2002maniac

Instead of shorter rods I would order custom pistons with a higher pin location. You want the rods as long as possible to maintain a good rod ratio.

yeah that would make a whole lot more sense... thanks, i'm open to any more input anoyone has.