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« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2008, 10:06:04 AM »
I'm hoping one of you can help here... I can't find any of the bosch 710 injectors, but can find plenty of the 700's all over.  Well, I want to get more fuel in than those provide... would like a 22.5 lb injector.  My last dyno run showed I was lean throughout the run.  I am running a set of Delta regrinds (shrick specs) that came with my new motor.  Also might switch to a conical filter instead of the stock box.  

Will either, or both, of these sets work?  Thanks a bunch for your help guys...

Mustang 22.5lb Injectors

Volvo 22.5lb Injectors


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« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2008, 02:57:18 AM »
Not sure about the injectors in the first link, but there is a person earlier in this thread using the injectors in the second link.
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« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2008, 08:23:16 PM »
I just felt like adding, it is best to use Bosch 150 style injectors if you want a direct fitment and no washers.

All Bosch injector part numbers start with a "0 280 XXX XXX".  The first three X's are the injector style.  Bosch has two commonly used styles, the 150 injector which is wider, and the slightly newer 155 style which is narrower.  So a 150 style injector will have a part number like "0 280 150 947".

When it comes to the two injector styles, practically no dimensions are the same, other than the same O-rings.  In some cars the 155 style don't work at all. I recently helped out with an efi conversion on a 1989 Mercedes 190E, and where the 150's were able be used, the 155's were a lot shorter and wouldn't have worked well.

As an additional note, most car manufacturers run slightly undersized injectors since smaller injectors provide more accurate fuel metering and better fuel economy. BUT in the case of the M42, these are perfectly sized(20.35lbs/hr) for the engine and should be able to support 138 hp with 43.5 psi/3 bar fuel pressure (BMW regulators run at 3 bar + or - 0.06).  So if anyone is claiming their car is running either lean or rich, then likely they have a mechanical problem or less likely BMW didn't make a very good fuel table.
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« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2008, 09:10:57 PM »
Quote from: mkodama;52091
When it comes to the two injector styles, practically no dimensions are the same, other than the same O-rings.  In some cars the 155 style don't work at all. I recently helped out with an efi conversion on a 1989 Mercedes 190E, and where the 150's were able be used, the 155's were a lot shorter and wouldn't have worked well.
There are 2 versions of the 155 injectors. Standard body and long body. The long body shares all exterior dimensions with the 150. There are a few versions of the 150 body injector with a 4 hole sprayer but mostly in the 17# range which is useless to us.

Short vs long version.

Every part number we've discussed thus far in this thread has been the long version.
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« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2008, 09:19:45 PM »
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There are 2 versions of the 155 injectors. Standard body and long body. The long body shares all exterior dimensions with the 150.

Short vs long version.
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Every part number we've discussed thus far in this thread has been the long version.

Ahh!!! well that would explain a lot.  Didn't know there short and long 155 style injectors.  Thanks!

Personally, I'm gonna experiment with the Bosch 0 280 150 947 injectors if I ever do my megasquirt install.  24.5 lbs/hr, 150 style so they fit without washers, pretty widely available, and with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator they can be used for a very wide range of power.  Supposedly they use a disc instead of the normal pintle as well.
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« Reply #80 on: June 26, 2008, 10:01:05 PM »
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Ahh!!! well that would explain a lot.  Didn't know there short and long 155 style injectors.  Thanks!

Personally, I'm gonna experiment with the Bosch 0 280 150 947 injectors if I ever do my megasquirt install.  24.5 lbs/hr, 150 style so they fit without washers, pretty widely available, and with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator they can be used for a very wide range of power.  Supposedly they use a disc instead of the normal pintle as well.
Sounds like a solid plan. I know theres a bunch of 4 hole injectors out there with the 150 body style that I don't have the specific info on. Definitely add new info you find here. This thread will become a valuable resource.

So far I have about 500 miles on my 0280155702 22# Volvo injectors Fuel economy and power have been stellar. I averaged 31 mpg on my last tank over the span of 3 weeks doing short trips. With gas being where it is, I find myself riding my bike a lot more and driving a lot less.
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« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2008, 10:33:34 PM »
^Thank you both very much for those responses.  That helps greatly.  I will go for those mustang ones then.  Hopefully switching to 22.5# is appropriate since I am running those cams.  If not, I'll head to the local yard and pull some mustang 19#'ers.
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« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2008, 11:52:32 PM »
Those mustang injectors that always seem to come in batches of 6, are actually off a 96-98 Ford taurus 3.0 24 valve V6. Some sites quote them as 22.x# while others have them closer to 24#. The truth lies somewhere in between.
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« Reply #83 on: June 27, 2008, 01:27:02 AM »
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Sounds like a solid plan. I know theres a bunch of 4 hole injectors out there with the 150 body style that I don't have the specific info on. Definitely add new info you find here. This thread will become a valuable resource.

So far I have about 500 miles on my 0280155702 22# Volvo injectors Fuel economy and power have been stellar. I averaged 31 mpg on my last tank over the span of 3 weeks doing short trips. With gas being where it is, I find myself riding my bike a lot more and driving a lot less.


:eek: Damn, are you serious?  I guess I'm still used to my E46 330i, with a whopping 12mpg in the stop and go + hills traffic i do.  I really can't wait to get delivery of my 318is, which has been at my neighbor's garage forever.

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« Reply #84 on: June 27, 2008, 08:44:00 AM »
I wasn't trying to say that bigger injectors improved fuel economy. My mileage didn't change at all when i switched from 20# 155 injectors to 22# 155 injectors. Keep in mind that I've done a lot of other things to make the car to make it more fuel efficient like manual steering, efan, 3.64 diff, ditch some weight etc. Most of my driving is around Marin on the 101 at non peak hours. It would be a lot worse in Berkeley traffic.
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« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2008, 11:32:08 PM »
Big thanks to the guys who contributed to this thread.  I installed my 155 700 19# injectors from a mustang a couple of days ago... wow what a difference.  Engine is smoother, and pulls harder.  I got these for free and will work great for now, but I will switch to 22.5# 150's in the future.  Not a fan of the washer, they aren't very tight on there, but there aren't any leaks either.:)  Will update with mileage after I put a whole tank on these.


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« Reply #86 on: July 02, 2008, 11:38:22 PM »
Excellent! Keep an eye on it for leaks for the next few days.
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« Reply #87 on: August 01, 2008, 11:58:45 PM »
i just put 556 19lb mustang 4 pintle injectors in my 318is

plugged right in, runs great.

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« Reply #88 on: August 02, 2008, 12:32:10 PM »
^What's the full PN on those?  150 556?

Well no leaks at all on my 155 700's and the car runs great with them, except for my first start hesitation... but that's another thread.  Mileage didn't change... didn't really expect it to though.  I'm getting about 25mpg city and 32 highway.  Still very livable.


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« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2008, 10:18:15 AM »
I'll check the PNs, but the Subaru WRX has the same body as the long ones.  They are light blue in color, and are 420cc..  you can cut the pintle cap off and have 800s..  
Of course, these would require some serious fuel management, and worthless unless F/I..

edit:  ok, very similar :)
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