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« on: March 12, 2007, 08:56:19 AM »
Fresh asphalt all around. Track is much faster. Had a ton of fun. Blew the motor, went back on Sunday and had some more fun in the 325i. Preliminary pics for now.


















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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2007, 09:49:55 AM »
I think there's a story here... how's the motor doing?
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2007, 07:25:06 PM »
ya, sounds like one heck of a fun time, and looks, except for the motor. Congrats on the 325i. I'd like the story as well...

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2007, 07:43:47 PM »
Here's the rest of the pics after I took the 325i to complete the session on Sunday













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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2007, 07:45:04 PM »
Quote from: Febi Guibo;21080
I think there's a story here... how's the motor doing?

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ya, sounds like one heck of a fun time, and looks, except for the motor. Congrats on the 325i. I'd like the story as well...

The party's done with the motor. Kaput...Finish

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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2007, 01:19:13 AM »
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The party's done with the motor. Kaput...Finish

moneyshift? or just give up the ghost type of deal?

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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2007, 03:08:44 AM »
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moneyshift? or just give up the ghost type of deal?


Spun bearing, rod knock = gave up the ghost and ghouls

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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2007, 08:42:50 PM »
How is the 325i compared to the 318is on the track? (lap times) What are you going to do with the car now? If you decide to sell it let me know.
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2007, 06:49:03 PM »
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Spun bearing, rod knock = gave up the ghost and ghouls

No fun at all. That thing went all out.

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2007, 07:47:28 PM »
Just get another M42 and the put the other one on a stand and start building it :D A used M42 can't be that expensive in the states.

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2007, 08:11:53 PM »
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How is the 325i compared to the 318is on the track? (lap times) What are you going to do with the car now? If you decide to sell it let me know.

The 318iS has a superior suspension than the 325i so it was faster through the turns. The 325i as 5-10mph faster in the back straights (boring) :rolleyes:

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No fun at all. That thing went all out.
It sure did!

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Just get another M42 and the put the other one on a stand and start building it :D A used M42 can't be that expensive in the states.

Yeah I am amidst several choices and it seems I'll just stick with an m42 again with some basic lightening, an oil pan baffle and perhaps shim the pump if I can find a way to do so.

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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2007, 11:11:37 PM »
Glad your stickin w/ the m42. I almost got rid of mine, my dad talked me back into keeping it for a while, so it seems I'm back into tracking the car. Any advice about the car? Anything that you feel would be the best bang for the buck. I'm coming from dragracing, so its a whole new world for me. Already on Irelands, and yes I'm planning on doing driver stuff before the car stuff.
Friend in portland just threw an m42 into an e21, its rediculous and he's inlove as well, it is blowing my mind how good these little m42's are at high rpm's.

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2007, 06:59:08 AM »
All the m42 mishaps revolve around oiling issues. For those driven on the track with some serious rubber and that might be pulling high g's, a baffle should be a must-do.

As to performance options, there's a lot of paths that you can take. You sound more like a DIY guy so grab 3 0r 4 beers on a good day, do some searching on here with regards to m47 cranks, s52 pistons, m52 - e36m42- vw lifter setups for the head etc and you will have at least a basis to start and know who to contact.

I'm staying relatively stock with only oiling modifications as I prefer the most reliable, less complicated set up for now and someday I'll piece-meal an ideal m42 that will lay a can of whup ass :D

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2007, 02:03:22 PM »
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All the m42 mishaps revolve around oiling issues. For those driven on the track with some serious rubber and that might be pulling high g's, a baffle should be a must-do.

As to performance options, there's a lot of paths that you can take. You sound more like a DIY guy so grab 3 0r 4 beers on a good day, do some searching on here with regards to m47 cranks, s52 pistons, m52 - e36m42- vw lifter setups for the head etc and you will have at least a basis to start and know who to contact.

I'm staying relatively stock with only oiling modifications as I prefer the most reliable, less complicated set up for now and someday I'll piece-meal an ideal m42 that will lay a can of whup ass :D

How did you get setup w/ the racing stuff? Which courses did you take and such, just curious, cuz I like the track idea and have one near home, just curious on that.

The motor will wait for a bit, I'm 19 and in college, yes I'm a DIY type of guy, but when I have money, I have no time, and when I have time, I have no place to work nor money. I love the way that works.
It definately seems that the m42 has a ton of oiling issues if not taken care of.

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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2007, 02:53:42 PM »
Here's some generic ramblings on my journey to taking my e30s on the track.

First off: It's the driver that makes the car fast, not the car that makes the driver fast.

I started off with auto-x care of a buddy of mine a couple of years back. I could barely afford to mod my car when I was in college so I auto-x'd bone stock with no mods. Auto-x is almost opposite of HPDE and track activities. Auto-x is somewhat more tasking and def. not for everyone. Same applies to HPDE/Track driving.

This was my 3rd time on road ATL in an official HPDE fashion. I had ridden with a few pros and instructors, did touring laps with the BMWCCA (you pay $5 or so to drive on the track during lunch break on Sunday), an SCCA PDX (2 - 25 min sessions with an instructor) and then went to Little Taladega for a whole track day with my buddies in Alabama to pop the "high speed driving on a short track" cherry. After Little Taladega, I was more addicted than ever and driving on Road ATL was even more fun as I already had an idea of what to expect to a degree.

By this point - I was really excited and more eager to get into track related driving. HPDEs can be intimidating to A LOT of people. It's not for everyone and it's ok to admit you like cars in "another way." I know a lot of people who would rather have a "drag" set up on their e30. I take grip over power any day. Not to say power is bad, but as Pirelli ads state...power is nothing without control. To have the ulimate car with power and grip usually costs a lot but it's often the driver's skill playing catch up with the vehicle in a lot of cases. There's nothing wrong with that, just be wary and respect your cars power and make sure you "learn" your car as you enhance your skill. (You will notice a good driver can  hop in ANY car and be fast. His skill is transferable as all he needs are a few mins to feel the balance, grip, power and brakes of the car)

To date I have gotten a lot of feedback on the positive side and it's a fun learning experience. Never let false confidence kick in with performance driving. The best thing to do for high performance events is to leave your ego at home, pay attention to what is said and make sure you "improve" on what's pointed out as an error. Get rides with instructors & racers, be open-minded to feedback. Understand why you do what you do, make sure you can "feel your car" as you drive it. Set targets for improvement, acknowledge errors you make and "fix them." Ride alongs on tracks are very important so you know the line. Following someone isn't the best way to practice how to take a line (different cars and set-ups.) If you don't know why someone short-shifted, braked, took a late apex etc, just ask and they'll tell you why :)

Pick stationary objects for reference and pay a lot of attention to road surface, debris, camber etc as well when you drive daily. This will enhance your "look ahead" skill which is VERY IMPORTANT. Looking ahead is very much a key in auto-x and even more crucial in daily driving for accident avoidance. Same applies to HPDE so when s.one goes off-line or when they are getting in trouble, you don't follow them ;)

Ride along or watch videos online from respected racers and level-headed HPDE instructors/participants. (yes - I am repeating myself)

Costs:
Only mods to do for track fun is make sure your car is BONE STOCK RELIABLE. I.E can it take abuse @ high rpm loads? Don't get some fancy stuff and skimp on BASIC MAINT. You will regret. Make sure your fluids are up to date, make sure all vital bolts, nuts, screws are tight. Don't go waste money on a BBK you won't use. Don't go get a piece-meal improperly tuned turbo unless you really know what you're doing. An improperly, inefficient car is NO FUN and UNSAFE. Taking your car to 6500,7200rpm daily is nothing like winding 3rd and 4th to the limit and laying hard on the brakes for 20-25 mins. Cooling system, tranny & diff fluids and brakes are the key parts.

If you think driving on the street from stoplight to stop light and racing in the local mountains makes you a good driver, that's fine. Just leave that attitude when you get to the track. Learn to read lines of travel. Understand the basics of slow-in-fast out before pushing faster. Understand the balance of the car in relation to brake and throttle application.  If you're one who's into drifiting, don't drive that way on the track, you're simply wasting tires and being slow. Use that skill when you get in a hairy moment rather than provoking the car to get upset.
 
Then comes the question, how does on "practice?" It is hard to deal with curbs, law enforcement and various safety issues. Do any practice at your own risk and be prepared to deal with consequences for your actions. It's wasteful on tires going to industrial lots without a real plan or timing and I stopped doing it after too many close calls with the law and in all honesty it's just not as fun :p

I try to attend as many auto-x as practice. I currently auto-x with the BMWCCA and SCCA and both offer numerous challenges from varying perspectives.

Bear in mind I am no expert and merely learning as I travel along the path of automotive related fun. A lot of things were passed on to me, some I learned the hard way and others I learned from others mistakes and successes.

Sorry for the LONG post :eek: :D