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170-180 bhp possible with out boost?
« on: March 11, 2007, 09:41:07 PM »
is it possible to build the m42's power to around a 325is ? i want to gain some power with out an engine swap or boost. i was thinking about chip air intake and ect.

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2007, 10:22:55 PM »
You probably won't get that kind of power from an M42 with just simple bolt-ons.

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2007, 10:41:33 PM »
You just need one of these,


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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2007, 01:57:12 AM »
hahahaha they've designed a box and everything for the "turbo" now too?
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2007, 03:18:09 AM »
internal work will get you there plus some.. stroke/bore block + headwork and itbs should get you some good numbers...
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2007, 01:58:40 PM »
The problem with this motor is the head, cam and fuel/ignition system.
The head is restrictive, the cam tops out at redline, and the fuel system is barely adequate. Then ignition, cuts you off just as you peak.

What all this means is, most mild mods (bolt ons) will only net you little gains, if anything.
Which means you need internal work to really get anything out of it.

You have 2 or 3 options.

Get a fully modded head from Metric Mechanic, Like Febi has. This includes springs, cams, retainers, thinner valves, new buckets... A custom chip able to rev to to about 7500.

Expect to spend about $3500 (guestimate) for the head and cams, another grand for the custom chip.


Should get you about 170. Give or take a a few.
Do not expect it to last.

The bottom end needs work to handle those revs. Specifically the bearings. Lighter rods and pistons will also help.

Done properly, expect to spend $5500-$6000.  
You can go to a 1.9 by boring it, which will get you around 180hp, thats  probably another $500.
Or go all out and stroke it as well for 2.1 liters for 210 hp. Price, expect a couple grand more.


All just estimates.


The only alternative, is to do a bore and stroke without the top end, meaning no extra revs. This will get you what you are after, though porting still may be necessary, as will a cam most likely, which also means a custom chip. All said and done, you are again, looking at a few grand.


The other alternative is an engine swap.
This is tricky.
A heavy motor will upset the handling, the M3 motor IS heavier, plus requires lots of maintenance. The 6 is much heavier and longer, a double wammy. You need a light weight, 4 or 6. The only things that come to mind is the Ecotec from Gm.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2007, 02:06:58 PM by sheepdog »
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2007, 02:18:20 PM »
Quote from: jake_9685;21042
is it possible to build the m42's power to around a 325is ? i want to gain some power with out an engine swap or boost. i was thinking about chip air intake and ect.


My 318is is faster then my roomates 89 325is 5spd any day of the week from any speed.

I have very slight mods that work well together to get 15.8 second 1/4 mile times. With 15" rims and 225/50's

If i remember correctly stock (5spd) times are about as follows.
 
M3 15.3-15.5
325i 16.0
318is 17.5

My mods...

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Coil on plug
Mark D 93 Octane chip
11lb flywheel and 325i clutch
4.10LSD
Deleted A/C, P/S, Fan, Fan Clutch
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2007, 02:24:08 PM »
camshaft at least 280/270, compresion ratio 11, rev limiter over 7000 and you will get it..
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2007, 01:17:24 AM »
would a twin weber setup come to that kind of power?

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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2007, 03:09:19 PM »
Quote from: xsjado;21172
would a twin weber setup come to that kind of power?


No, the  biggest hold up is the cam and head.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2007, 03:10:56 PM »
I just realized, he wants brake horsepower.
Isn't the e30 rated at the flywheel?

That being the case, the only way to achieve 170-180 brake is with bore/stroke or supercharging. Plain and simple.
You are not going to get 100hp per liter at the wheels out of an engine like this easily if at all.
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2007, 04:53:45 PM »
brake horsepower = flywheel horsepower

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2007, 04:56:56 AM »
Quote from: Gunni;21217
brake horsepower = flywheel horsepower


= wheel horsepower :p

Does anyone know of a donor crank to stroke the engine? Is the M43/44 crank longer in throw?

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2007, 05:24:05 AM »
flywheel horsepower  = crank horsepower not wheel horsepower.

M43B18 crank should be the same stroke
M44M19 slightly longer..

M47 crank would be longer... Search for M47 crank stroker discussed here...

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2007, 07:11:03 AM »
Quote from: fabe;21274
flywheel horsepower  = crank horsepower not wheel horsepower.


Yep, just that some people get it mxied up!