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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2007, 01:32:38 AM »
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I used to own a 1957 Bel Air 2dht ;)

what made you get rid of it? I had a 68 chevelle before the 318is. chevelle got stolen, gas prices on the rise, figured i'd get something that did better then 10mpg...
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2007, 01:54:20 AM »
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what made you get rid of it?


Well, it's a long story. I bought that car as a basket case for 250€ (back in 1983) restored it two years (cost me about 5000€). drove it summer 1985. Then my friends kid brother wanted to buy my Bel Air. He offered me little bit over 20000€.... I agreed, he got loan from bank and bought the car. He only drove it about a month when he and his 5 closet friend were having a ride. All of them were drunk... Bel Air hitted a pine tree very badly, it was totalled, so he was not able to fix it. Luckily no one was not hurt. Car was sold as a parts.
I was looking a bigger house that time and with extra money i got from Bel Air i was able to buy it. So better living standards were the main reason to sell it. I have regret it ever since :(
I still have my fathers 1956 VW Beetle. My dad bought it new. I have kept it garaged at our summer place for almost 25 years now. I will never sell it, but i will start to restore it only when i have enough money to get it done as it should.
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2007, 01:13:35 PM »
.....anybody read "road & track"? they had a short article about some guy who made a motorcycle in the bay area, here in cali. and he used the M47 for diesel power, apparently the thing hauls ass and gets like 80mpg or some crazy sh*t like that.
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2007, 01:14:23 PM »
.....forgot to metion, that was  the september '07 issue.
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2007, 03:00:12 PM »
Christoph,

I like your idea.  I'd love to build an E36 320d (like the one that won the 1998 24 Hours of Nurburgring, powered by the M47) to satisfy my own personal eccentricities.  Bimmerworld has already informed me that they can source and import a M47TUD20 for me.  Hmmmm...
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2007, 07:27:51 PM »
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Christoph,

I like your idea.  I'd love to build an E36 320D (like the one that won the 1998 24 Hours of Nurburgring, powered by the M47) to satisfy my own personal eccentricities.  Bimmerworld has already informed me that they can source and import a M47TUD20 for me.  Hmmmm...


did they give you a price? When i graduate college i want to go over there and buy the new 120TD and drive it around a bit and then ship it back here. those motors are wicked. 247ft pds tq and 50mpg!
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2007, 06:49:22 AM »
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Christoph,

I like your idea.  I'd love to build an E36 320D (like the one that won the 1998 24 Hours of Nurburgring, powered by the M47) to satisfy my own personal eccentricities.  Bimmerworld has already informed me that they can source and import a M47TUD20 for me.  Hmmmm...


Oh yes... My preciousssssssssssssss :o



I took this image in 2003 when I visited Nurburgring for the first time. This is the 1998 24H race winner. Ordinary Supertouring race shell mated with preproduction M47 diesel.

E36 + M47 would be a hugely fun project. That way you can "legally" use turbocharged engine (why, engine was made that way from the factory!) that has big power potential from stock and you can marry it to a bodyshell where it was actually used to win very prestigious race :)

Here's what I found from a company that chip programs E46 320d's:

163 hp /335 Nm
179 hp /390 Nm
199 hp / 410 Nm

There were number of M47 iterations and their chipped output varies, hence number of possible outputs. If you change turbo, improve intercooling etc the sky is the limit.

Imagine lightened 1100 kg bodyshell with 200 hp / 400 Nm engine on track! :eek:
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2007, 10:01:29 AM »
The best option to get the engine would be to import a half clip of a car. The ricers do it all the time with half clip WRXs, civics from Japan. As far as the federal gov is concerned its just car parts, not a car. Once the whole front half of the car gets here, you have the engine plus all the necessary ancillaries to swap into a complete US market shell. Then theres the matter of state emissions which is different everywhere. The good news is that in California at least this swap is perfectly legal. You just have to take it to your local dmv, they see that its running on diesel and the give you a sticker. Once thats done you never have to get it smog checked again. Heres a TDI swap into a volvo 245 in San Diego. Totally legal in California.
http://picasaweb.google.com/yoshifab/VolvoTDI
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2007, 07:17:08 PM »
No idea on price.  The half-cut IS a better idea.

Boyracer, I've seen that photo of the E36 320d before (probably on your website about your 318i.)
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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2007, 02:29:48 AM »
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Boyracer, I've seen that photo of the E36 320d before (probably on your website about your 318i.)


Yes the photo is from my pages :)

Found bit more info about the car. 0-100 kmh (0-62 mph) 4.5s 1040 kg 245 hp between 4200-4600 and 430 Nm between 2500-3500. 23 liters of diesel / hour which was about half compared to ordinary non-diesel racecars.
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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2007, 08:51:02 AM »
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Found bit more info about the car. 0-100 kmh (0-62 mph) 4.5s 1040 kg 245 hp between 4200-4600 and 430 Nm between 2500-3500.

Thanks for those figures.  I was looking for power specs on the E36 320d STW...I was curious to know how the race engine of 1998 compared to the tweaked engine in Alpina's new E90 D3 (with about 200hp & 400Nm.)

In essence, it appears, the 1998 race engine is about the same as the current E87 120d race car
And the Alpina-tuned D3 engine is about the same as a "chipped" E90 320d - although from watching the only vid I've seen on the Alpina D3 it looks like it redlines much higher than a stock diesel... nearly 6,000rpm!  Wow!
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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2007, 09:48:10 AM »
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Yes the photo is from my pages :)

Found bit more info about the car. 0-100 kmh (0-62 mph) 4.5s 1040 kg 245 hp between 4200-4600 and 430 Nm between 2500-3500. 23 liters of diesel / hour which was about half compared to ordinary non-diesel racecars.


that looks like a baby six in the picture.....i may be wrong though.
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2007, 03:51:00 PM »
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that looks like a baby six in the picture.....i may be wrong though.


I'm quite sure it is six cylinder S38B38 from E34 M5. I took better photo of the engine alone but I cannot access my photo archive right now...

Newest 2 liter BMW diesel puts out 200 hp / 400 Nm, stock :eek:
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2007, 01:36:03 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2007, 02:40:02 PM »
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Newest 2 liter BMW diesel puts out 200 hp / 400 Nm, stock :eek:

......and it does it at low RPM's!
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