E36 steering rack conversion

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2002maniac

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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2007, 12:04:23 AM »
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depends on which Z3 rack you guys picked up... the ratio's were different for the trim's


Mine was from a 2.8 if it matters.  I thought they were all the same though..

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2007, 08:41:08 AM »
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Search r3v for threads started by "Ritalin Kid".



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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2007, 04:15:07 PM »
92-98 E36 3.2 Turn to Lock Ratio Rack - Ebay - Tom's FAP - $125.00

92-98 E36 3.2 Turn to Lock Ratio Rack - Maval Rebuilt - $270.13

95 E36 M3 3.0 Turn to Lock Ratio Rack - Maval Rebuilt - $270.13

95-97 E36 Z3 1.9L 2.7 Turn to Lock Ratio Rack - Maval Rebuilt - $317.59


from what i understand the Z3 rack from the 2.8 is the same as any other e36 rack.


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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2007, 08:40:14 PM »
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from what i understand the Z3 rack from the 2.8 is the same as any other e36 rack.


mine is 2.7 turns and from a Z3 2.8

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2007, 08:47:51 PM »
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mine is 2.7 turns and from a Z3 2.8


damn i wish i could have known that before i bought a 98 m3 rack.


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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2007, 07:11:34 PM »
did anyone ever confirm the Z3 rack turning radius? i recall there was confusion as to wether it was a true 2.7 turn lock, or wether it had steering stops in it.
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2007, 02:53:43 AM »
i bought mine E36 rack 26$, i got no power steering because of weight.

E30 got two installing point for rack ,i put it to rear position.

im bit drift style driver and rear position of rack gives more turning for wheels

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2007, 06:54:18 PM »
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im bit drift style driver and rear position of rack gives more turning for wheels


Unless you have lengthened the effective travel of both of the tie rods, I call bullshit. The position of the rack will only affect the placement of the tie rods and thus toe settings, it won't make your front wheels turn out at a sharper angle.

Look at http://www.battleversion.com and read how tie rods spacers work with a rack & pinion before you claim "drift style".

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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2007, 02:26:43 AM »
@LOL

when rack was front position front tires didnt hit inner plastics, on rear position they´ll hit it... grinding noise and marks... so i thought front tires turns more, steering wheel "touch" is much harder on last quarter of lock-to-lock.

try it and you´ll see

:) drift style because our weather is so slippery that its so easy to put it sideways all the time, and im doing it so :)

very good pages. battleversion. tnx
« Last Edit: January 30, 2007, 02:31:46 AM by mikko »

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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2007, 08:13:30 AM »
rhd e30 like mine...i had to cut my headers just to get the m42 in...now i fear the guibo steering coupling is going to melt when i drive it.....maybe i should change to solid linkage???

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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2007, 11:54:46 PM »
What does lock to lock difference have to do with turning radius?  Aren't these totally separate issues?  How tight the car will turn has nothing to do with how fast it'll get there.

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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2007, 11:50:56 AM »
Quote from: Noel Higa;19855
What does lock to lock difference have to do with turning radius?  Aren't these totally separate issues?  How tight the car will turn has nothing to do with how fast it'll get there.
Turning radius depends on maximum steering wheel angle (road wheels-not the steering wheel inside the car) and wheelbase, but for practical purposes these are constant on an E30. Therefore turns lock to lock is a quick and dirty indication of steering quickness. Rack manufacturers sometimes use rack travel per degree of pinion rotation as a measurement that applies to the rack itself. The degree the wheels are turned in relation to this can still vary according to the length of the steering arms on the spindle or strut. Again, these are constant on an E30 except maybe the ix. There is a steering stop on an E30 that works by contact between the spindle/strut and control arm. A stock E30 takes 4 turns of the wheel from bump stop to bump stop (a city bus comes to mind.) E36 and Z3 rack's are 3.2 to 2.7 turns lock to lock on an E30. 3.2 is like an average late model sedan. 3.0 and 2.7 are quick.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2007, 11:53:06 AM by D. Clay »

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2007, 04:04:20 PM »
What kind of work does it take to make a Z3 1.9 rack fit?

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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2007, 04:48:03 PM »
Quote from: BrandC;18416
Unless you have lengthened the effective travel of both of the tie rods, I call bullshit. The position of the rack will only affect the placement of the tie rods and thus toe settings, it won't make your front wheels turn out at a sharper angle.
Look at www.battleversion.com and read how tie rods spacers work with a rack & pinion before you claim "drift style".
You can't  exceed the physical stops on an E30 w/o surgery.  However most racing happens at less than full lock. Engineers go to great pains in placing control arms, tie rod inner, and outer points, and design of the spindle to get some kind of dynamic stability in a suspension. Generally, moving the just the rack forward and backward changes the Ackerman effect (the toe change with steering input) and up and down movement of rack mounting changes toe setting in bump and rebound.
All is well and good until stuff  starts moving. The car rolls around a roll center that is constantly changing as the car rolls. In addition, one side is in bump and the other in rebound.
If you're still not confused, throw in drift under opposite lock. The chassis rolls as if it's turning one way and the steering input says another. Then ask yourself what do I want to happen and why do I want it. Just a thought, but if I was drifting I'd pick the brains of some dirt track racers.  They spend almost half the time in an opposite lock drift and run comparable lap times to asphalt cars on pavement.
That's why chassis engineers and designers make big bucks.

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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2007, 03:29:40 PM »
the tie rods stop the rack. if you put a washer between the tie rods and rack that has a small enough diameter so that it will clear what the tie rods hit on the rack then yes the tie rods will be shorter but there will be more travel in the rack