Camshaft position sensor code (1244) - but replaced sensor!!!

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Camshaft position sensor code (1244) - but replaced sensor!!!
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2007, 05:47:33 PM »
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These sensors is quite sensitive when gap between cam tooth and sensor is not right. This is magnetic pickup sensor. Try google to finde some aftermaket ecu manual for correct gap. Messure yours. I had the same problems, my engine was working event without it, but the power was less than it should be, I replaced the o ring with new and fault disappeared :)

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Hmm, thanks for the tip. I will assume the BMW tech will install the new sensor correctly when he gets it. At this point, the matter is beyond my control, since the car is at the dealer right now.

New sensor should be overnighted and thus here tomorrow. I will give you guys an update tomorrow.

BTW, Pelican Parts is being cool and letting me return the sensor, albeit with a 15% restocking fee. :)

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2007, 05:12:52 PM »
Alright, so an update.

More bad news. The car threw the same code even after replacing the sensor! So that's two perfectly good sensors down the drain--and $230 for the new sensor + labor at the dealer.

I knew that mechanic didn't know what he was talking about. But apparently he's one of the older guys so people don't want to subvert his decisions or sidestep him. Kinda sucks.

So he wants me to authorize two more hours of labor to "diagnose" the problem. I'm not going to have that crap. Even if they diagnose it, he told me the DME or wiring harness could be bad--each of those is $800+.

The car, however, ran perfectly on our test drive after the new camshaft position sensor. He told me the code only came up right after he replaced the sensor and disconnected the battery. Is it possible the computer just takes a while to completely reset itself? Because the car, again, drove perfectly on the test-drive. And I was pushing it pretty hard. No stuttering, no stalling, no hesitation, no misfires.

One of the newer techs (he was formerly working for Mercedes) overheard my problem and privately suggested that the wire may be intermittently shorting out or chafing on some metal, or just grounding. He said the easiest thing to do would be to simply wire the sensor directly from the engine to the DME and skip an unknown variable, the harness. But he said he didn't know if the dealer policies would allow that, etc., and it's not his "ticket," so he can't help me.

The original guy I was using didn't seem to think that was a good idea, but I don't lend him much credibility now, what with all this money wasted and his opinion that ONLY Genuine BMW parts should be used--NO EXCEPTION. Moronic, IMO.

So any of your opinions would be greatly appreciated!!! This car is a basketcase...

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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2007, 06:12:30 PM »
If your still getting the code and it's running good then keep running it for a while then do the code stomp.
If the code comes back then disconnect the battery for a few minutes then reconnect and drive .then check code .
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the ecu stores the codes. That's why you don't start the car to get the codes because they are stored in the ecu.
Please someone tell me if I'm wrong but I think that's the way it works .
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2007, 08:14:03 PM »
I will do this, thanks for the advice. However, I have a certain feeling that the problem isn't gone--that today was just one of those days where it ran good. :(

I'll let you guys in know in the next couple days if the problem reasserts itself.

Thanks a lot for your help... you guys are great!

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2007, 03:41:18 AM »
i had a feeling it was a shitty connection, and its going to be right where they plugged the new sensor in.

to the ecu question, yes its stored in the ecu, and disconecting the batter will erase any stored codes.
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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2007, 05:32:38 PM »
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i had a feeling it was a shitty connection, and its going to be right where they plugged the new sensor in.

to the ecu question, yes its stored in the ecu, and disconecting the batter will erase any stored codes.


You mean on the ignition wiring harness, or on the engine itself where the actual sensor is?

Strange. The car ran perfectly for the 20 or 25 minutes I drove it today, but the code is still being stored in the ECU... I did the stomp test and got it. :confused:

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2007, 07:01:21 PM »
unplug the battery, then plug it back in and it will erase the code. it will be stored forever unless you do tht.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2007, 12:26:39 PM »
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unplug the battery, then plug it back in and it will erase the code. it will be stored forever unless you do tht.


Yep, we removed the ground wire from the battery and then plugged it back in after ~ 2 minutes.

Any more suggestions would be appreciated...

I am going to drive the car today in the wet since it is snowing/raining and hope the problem doesn't rear its ugly head. It tends to do it exponentially more whne it's wet outside...
« Last Edit: January 28, 2007, 12:28:58 PM by ohnoes »

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2007, 04:31:45 PM »
I was having the exact same problem tonight, what I noticed is my standalone stopped picking up the cam sensor, and the engine died, but after beeing dead for a few seconds I was able to start it up real and it ran for a few minutes,
I think the first action should be to check the resistance in all the wires from the sensor plug to the ecu to make sure that they are not at fault somewhere,
then I´d say checking the sensor spacing is up to spec( I´m sure the closer the better) .
if those things are fine definitly the sensor is at fault

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Camshaft position sensor code (1244) - but replaced sensor!!!
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2007, 12:18:18 PM »
Gunni, thanks for the suggestions. Yes, I bet there is occasional chafing/shorting out of the wire or something. But weirdly, the problem has not reasserted itself since I replaced the sensor! However, the code is still stored in the computer. The CEL doesn't come on, but the pedal stomp diagnostic test still spits out that darn code.

I will see if I can check the wiring. If it's not that, I don't know what it is.

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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2007, 02:34:02 PM »
In the meantime, I suggest finding a new mechanic.  This one is throwing you so much BS its not even cool.  I personally dealt with people like this when I was the IT guy at my old job, people would pretend like they knew how to fix a computer problem... If they knew how to fix it why are they giving it to me to fix in the first place?  Anyways try having that other guy that overheard you work on your car would be a better idea if anything, from what I have read he actually knows his stuff and its just a matter of what he's allowed to do to diagnose the problem.

At this point I'm purely guessing on how to fix the problems since I have no idea how this sensor is wired or even where the hell it is in the first place.

I have no clue about the ambient temps the car is stored/parked in when it just happens to work flawlessly, and when its pure shiz.  Does the car run like crap just when it sits in the cold for a while and better when its sat in a warm garage or something?  (Or vice-versa.)  If this is the case then something is shrinking or enlarging just enough to create a problem.

As for the wiring maybe (now remember I have no idea what this thing is or where its located, even less about how its wired) if the sensor connects to another wire try replacing the wire farther up just to see if there is a short somewhere.  Inspect all contacts for corrosion or any other thing that kills performance.  Securing the wire in a way where it rubs other components the least is also a good idea.

Getting back to my original thought about shrinking and enlarging, do you have a pic where you are spraying the Seafoam?  There could be something mechanically there that is causing the problem.  (Whether it be a teeny tiny hole or a crack.)

Remember I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about besides the general electrical/mechanical tips I've given, the other guys here will definately know more than I do since I'm still a 318is newbie.

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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2007, 05:40:09 PM »
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In the meantime, I suggest finding a new mechanic.  This one is throwing you so much BS its not even cool.  I personally dealt with people like this when I was the IT guy at my old job, people would pretend like they knew how to fix a computer problem... If they knew how to fix it why are they giving it to me to fix in the first place?  Anyways try having that other guy that overheard you work on your car would be a better idea if anything, from what I have read he actually knows his stuff and its just a matter of what he's allowed to do to diagnose the problem.


First off, thanks for your response. You seem to be a new member, too. We're both learning. :D

Yeah, well, the sad part is he's an official BMW dealer mechanic, which really disillusions me. I thought dealers were very selective with their hiring process and stuff, and that they were the "be all, end all" when it came to BMW maintenance and issues. They certainly don't seem like it now!

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At this point I'm purely guessing on how to fix the problems since I have no idea how this sensor is wired or even where the hell it is in the first place.

I have no clue about the ambient temps the car is stored/parked in when it just happens to work flawlessly, and when its pure shiz.  Does the car run like crap just when it sits in the cold for a while and better when its sat in a warm garage or something?  (Or vice-versa.)  If this is the case then something is shrinking or enlarging just enough to create a problem.

As for the wiring maybe (now remember I have no idea what this thing is or where its located, even less about how its wired) if the sensor connects to another wire try replacing the wire farther up just to see if there is a short somewhere.  Inspect all contacts for corrosion or any other thing that kills performance.  Securing the wire in a way where it rubs other components the least is also a good idea.

Getting back to my original thought about shrinking and enlarging, do you have a pic where you are spraying the Seafoam?  There could be something mechanically there that is causing the problem.  (Whether it be a teeny tiny hole or a crack.)

Remember I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about besides the general electrical/mechanical tips I've given, the other guys here will definately know more than I do since I'm still a 318is newbie.


Here is the RealOEM diagram of the sensor: http://realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=AJ93&mospid=47318&btnr=11_2683&hg=11&fg=10&hl=19

However, the diagram isn't exactly right, for some reason: it would appear from that diagram that the sensor end just terminates right there, but that is physically impossible. There is nowhere for it to terminate in that area. Instead, it goes all the way down to the ignition wiring harness, which I believe in turn connects to the ECU.

That other mechanic suggested to me that we skip the wiring harness to eliminate a variable and wire the sensor DIRECTLY to the ECU. If these symptoms happen again, I am inclined to go forward with that plan.

It is part # 6, "Trigger Contact." The BMW dealer mechanic checked out that wire from the sensor itself to the harness, but NOT from the harness to the ECU. So the harness-to-ECU wire could be shorting out/chafing sometimes or something. I'm really not sure.

I poured Seafoam only in the gas tank, and once before that in the crankcase (oil filler cap). It seemed to really unclog the injectors, but it did NOT solve the stalling problem.

However, as I mentioned before, I have driven the car about 20 minutes per day average for the past three or four days, and it hasn't acted up ONCE!

Maybe it does have to do with the warmer temperatures, although I'm more inclined to think it's related to humidity and moisture. At least in the past, it's acted up more in the early mornings (dawn) when it was a bit wet from dew and other moisture. That's when most of the stalling and stuff has occurred.

Thanks again! I will do some research on RealOEM and see if I can't find out where the ECU connects to the ignition wiring harness!

Look forward to more suggestions.
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2007, 10:00:38 PM »
Keep an eye on the engine temp gauge in the car just to see if it starts acting up when it reaches a certain temperature.  Adding to my thermal expansion part I initially wrote the engine itself is also a major factor since engines obviously run hotter than ambient temperatures.

With that another idea struck me, there is the possibility of something in the fuel system that is sticking which prevents enough fuel getting to the engine.  It did seem to work better in different environments, including when you added Seafoam.  Its been a while since I even cracked open an engine (the only experience I have is with small engines) so I'm most likely wrong with this one... Maybe check these items for proper tightening/clogging/sticking?  It'll be a lot of work so keeping an eye out for other parts that need replacing is a good idea.

http://www.m3racing.com/graphics/parts/5MM_valve_stem_kit.jpg

GET A NEW MECHANIC BEFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT THIS .

There are just too many possibilities but as I mentioned it just doesn't seem like a wiring problem...  Now for today's weather.  We're in for a heavy downpour of WTF followed by a high pressure system of BS.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2007, 10:56:40 AM »
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Keep an eye on the engine temp gauge in the car just to see if it starts acting up when it reaches a certain temperature.  Adding to my thermal expansion part I initially wrote the engine itself is also a major factor since engines obviously run hotter than ambient temperatures.

With that another idea struck me, there is the possibility of something in the fuel system that is sticking which prevents enough fuel getting to the engine.  It did seem to work better in different environments, including when you added Seafoam.  Its been a while since I even cracked open an engine (the only experience I have is with small engines) so I'm most likely wrong with this one... Maybe check these items for proper tightening/clogging/sticking?  It'll be a lot of work so keeping an eye out for other parts that need replacing is a good idea.

http://www.m3racing.com/graphics/parts/5MM_valve_stem_kit.jpg


Hmm, you think the valves are sticking or something? Would that really cause a camshaft position sensor code though?

I'm not sure if there is a temperature correlation so much as an ambient humidity correlation. I really can't establish a correlation right now. It's just too intermittent and unpredictable. :confused:

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GET A NEW MECHANIC BEFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT THIS .

There are just too many possibilities but as I mentioned it just doesn't seem like a wiring problem...  Now for today's weather.  We're in for a heavy downpour of WTF followed by a high pressure system of BS.  :rolleyes:


Hahaha. LOL. So true. That one guy at the dealer was full of BS. I need to find someone better...

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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2007, 12:44:03 PM »
thats how dealers roll, try and screw the average person as much as possible until their ass is sore enough that they give in and buy a new car.
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