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sjoerd

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Alpha/N - control unit
« on: September 14, 2014, 02:16:54 PM »
hey, i'm planning to tune my m42 a bit next year and i'm searchin some info now..
i'm going to put Dbilas sports cams and itb's on my m42. alot of people here said the best is to buy the dbilas chip that tunes it but now i was wondering what the Alpha/N - control unit  http://www.dbilas-shop.com/Products/Engine-management/-alpha;-N-control-unit/BMW/Electronic-Alpha-N-control-units-BMW-1-8-16V-M42B18-1-9-16V-M44B19::6381.html  does? i deleteat's my mass air flow meter so bether air flow and some bether performence/throtle respons/bether sound? and if i buy the Alpha/N - control unit do i still need the dbilas chip? and when the mas air flow meter is gone how do i filter my air? (i realy don't like those cone filters). and do i need somthing else to instal the Alpha/N - control unit?
and what are the other advantages exept that there is no air sensor anymore? (bether tuneability?)

thx guys :)

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 06:41:49 AM »
Hi
When you say deleted mass air flow, how?
Afm to map?

Cheers Rohan

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 12:27:22 PM »
i don't know i'm asking u guys :p
Alpha/N - control unit says : alpha/N - control unit for driving without air flow meter of electronic injection systems.
 Simulates to the ECU the air flow meter or the air mass sensor. and i don't realy know how it works.. instal the alpha/N and remove the air meter and put a filter straight on the airbox like they do with e30 m3's witj carbon airboxes..

i realy don't have a idee how it works and if i yust need to install the Alpa/N to remove air meter or do i need to buy other senosors..
grtz

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 01:34:08 PM »
i yust want to know if it is just as simpel as installing the Alpha/N - control unit and getting rid of my air meter?
and can i use COP with this alpha/N
« Last Edit: September 15, 2014, 02:28:27 PM by sjoerd »

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2014, 03:00:16 PM »
Interesting, not sure if its tuneable or if its just a pre set program. My assumption is it just simulates the AFM so the chip is still needed. For that cost, might as well install a standalone instead.

Alpha-N means using the throttle position for load instead of MAP/MAF/AFM.
-Nick
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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 10:45:44 PM »
Interesting, not sure if its tuneable or if its just a pre set program. My assumption is it just simulates the AFM so the chip is still needed. For that cost, might as well install a standalone instead.

Alpha-N means using the throttle position for load instead of MAP/MAF/AFM.
and what are the advantages with a stand alone unit? (much more expensive)?

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2014, 05:24:53 AM »
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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2014, 07:13:25 AM »
Just my .02
Get a standalone system like wazzu70 mentioned. You will have complete control over your engine. Here is a synopsis from our M3 list back in the day.

Enjoy...
Cheers,
~Ralph


Alpha N, first of all from a terminology perspective, came from the mathematical representation of the Greek symbol, alpha, to mean throttle angle and N to denote RPM. Engineers used these letters to represent the equations of this system and hence the name.

When you look at reasonably modern engine management system (ok, just pick something understandable like Ford EEC-IV or Bosch Motronic), there are many inputs that go into fine monitoring of engine variables to ultimately do two things:
        1) control fuel injection pulse width
        2) timing advance

Generally speaking, as you have more closed loop information and control, you have more ability to deal with variance. If you know exactly how much air is really coming into the motor in volume and you know what the exhaust byproduct looks like, you can use that information to alter fuel delivery and ignition timing. So yeah, you can actually drop a cam in a car with a good engine management system and have it run within reasonable (though not optimal) power ranges.

Why not optimal? Because, at least both engine management systems I mention above, bypass things such as O2 sensor input when running at WOT (Wide Open Throttle). At WOT, the engine uses maps in the ROM (read only memory) to give predetermined timing and fuel. Once your cam has changed (and obviously I'm just using a cam as an example), its profile may be better suited for a different predetermined set of WOT timing and fuel values.

So what is Alpha N for and why would you want it? Well frankly, its use is rather limited. Alpha-N provides no intake limitations (restrictions) since no air is measured beyond the inherent throttle angle. If you are running a race motor with a high lift, fast rising cam, you want all the air velocity you can get and that means as little restriction as possible. Motors like these, frankly, idle like shit.... they make no sense on the street. Recall that modern engine management systems gave us great low RPM performance (for those of you old enough to have owned carburetor cars) because of the ability to closely monitor sensors and determine close to optimal timing and fuel injection pulse width. You don't get that with Alpha N ... hence another street detriment.

Why is Alpha N so intolerant of engine configuration changes, or environment changes? Because its approximation of real air volume (just using the throttle angle and maybe barometric pressure and air temperature) no interest in exhaust measurement (closed loop) and not much else, it runs off of a table which effectively is indexed by throttle position versus RPM with possible compensations from barometric pressure and intake temperature. How do you build the maps? Simple ... spend hours on the dyno with expensive EGT sensors and develop the specific maps for the specific engine configuration until you get it optimal or give up and say it is good enough. Now you have a completely static system highly tuned to its configuration. Change anything and it's a no go. Even something like the exhaust system...

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2014, 12:00:20 PM »
so alpha N is not so good for the street if i'm reading correctly?
and this is what i actualy need? http://www.dbilas-shop.com/Products/Engine-management/Engine-Management/engine-control-units/dbTronic-4000-ECU-stand-alone-plastic-housing-without-Barometer-with-Software::6336.html and this is programmable? and this will let my engine run more smoothly than alpha/N and does not depend on hot ore cold ore other variables?

i'm a real rooky in al that electronic/programming stuff :s

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2014, 12:16:51 PM »
It's not ideal for the street but could be done.

Find out what your local tuner likes to use for stand alone systems and go with that one.

Cheers,
~Ralph

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2014, 12:58:41 PM »
It's not ideal for the street but could be done.

Find out what your local tuner likes to use for stand alone systems and go with that one.

Cheers,
~Ralph
why isn't is ideal for street use?
we don't realy have alot of tuners here in belgium, i would need to go to holland (about 800km) to get to e proffesional tuner so i wold realy like to know almost evrethig before i start this project
grtz

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2014, 01:02:56 PM »
It doesn't compensate for temperature or altitude.

I would first research what your tuners like to use. Then make your decision as to what direction you will go.

Cheers,
~Ralph

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2014, 01:17:11 PM »
It doesn't compensate for temperature or altitude.

I would first research what your tuners like to use. Then make your decision as to what direction you will go.

Cheers,
~Ralph
aaah, okey.
i just maild those guy's and i will call them tomorow but can you advice me somthing that is perfect for street use and alot of people use on theire m42'?
grtz

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2014, 03:29:13 PM »
There are so many brands out there to use. That's why you need to see what your tuner feels comfortable using. I personally have Megasquirt on my M42. I have ViPec on my M3. You can also use LifeRacing, Motec, Haltec, and the list goes on......LOL

You really need to talk to your guys!:-)


Cheers,
~Ralph

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Re: Alpha/N - control unit
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2014, 08:22:46 PM »
Go megasquirt:

This guy builds PnP systems and you can get them setup how you want.
http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=204722