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anthonymax007

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #195 on: August 26, 2015, 04:20:07 PM »
That looks so awesome!  ;D I want one badly, so when can we buy these works of art?

This!

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #196 on: August 27, 2015, 08:45:42 AM »
This looks promising for E30, I think we have more space to play on the firewall side.  Any plans to test on one? 

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #197 on: September 19, 2015, 10:34:41 PM »
What was the outcome of the "slim kit" testing back in August Lambertius?

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #198 on: September 30, 2015, 02:09:18 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/rhd.taiwan

Some final pictures and first pricing details (for Taiwan) can be seen on this facebook page. You do NOT have to have an facebook account to see the pictures!
I don't know if the prices convert directly from NTD to $, but if so, it ranges from about 1200$ (without airbox) to about 1650 (with carbon fibre airbox)

That's all I could find out so far.

Darky

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #199 on: October 01, 2015, 03:42:20 AM »
Hi

It's all on Rama rhdengineering, including a version with 2 extra cylinders, yep m50!

Cheers

lambertius

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #200 on: October 01, 2015, 06:43:56 AM »
Hi guys!

Sorry about the huge delay, I've had a lot going on at the moment, another interstate move from Perth to Melbourne and more!

What was the outcome of the "slim kit" testing back in August Lambertius?

I'll get the results up when I get the chance, but it improved the low-end performance a significant amount with no affects on top end - so an all-round good result!

https://www.facebook.com/rhd.taiwan

Some final pictures and first pricing details (for Taiwan) can be seen on this facebook page. You do NOT have to have an facebook account to see the pictures!
I don't know if the prices convert directly from NTD to $, but if so, it ranges from about 1200$ (without airbox) to about 1650 (with carbon fibre airbox)

That's all I could find out so far.

I believe that should be correct, he said that he will be pricing it around that amount.

Hi

It's all on Rama rhdengineering, including a version with 2 extra cylinders, yep m50!

Cheers

http://racehead.com.au/

It will eventually show up.

However, for this thread you can expect in the new future:


Till then, here are some pictures to keep you interested  :D





And a high-quality engine audio sample from the upcoming video episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OScp517Z05o

« Last Edit: October 01, 2015, 07:07:46 AM by lambertius »

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #201 on: October 07, 2015, 12:26:29 AM »
Okay!

Exhaust drone post! (because its the easiest)

So I found a decent spectrometer app for my phone which made it a lot easier to analyse the sound of the exhaust in the cabin on the go. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nfx.specscope&hl=en

Because it was live I was able to pause the drone at the worst point which was much easier than trying to find it in a 20 minute recording after.

BEFORE



AFTER



As you can see I was able to wipe out the drone point very effectively, as well as the octaves as you go up the frequency.

Things get interesting here, I wrapped my exhaust from the headers to the tip. The reasoning behind this is that the hotter exhaust gases have a lower density and will evacuate much easier than colder gases. In reality you won't perceive this on a dyno - the real change may be ~1% or less - but what I did observe is it significantly reduced the effects of heat soak while on the dyno. Anyone who has been to a dyno knows that you tend to get 3~4 consistent runs then the heat sets in and performance begins to drop until it hits the 'soaked' equilibrium sets in. This can be as much as a 20% loss on a turbo car with no inter-cooler, so it can be very observable. On my little NA engine its not huge, but after a few runs we did see power drop by ~4~5%. After wrapping the exhaust this didn't happen at all. Every single run was the same value within 1kW of the last run, this was over about 20 minutes with about 10~15 runs. Not a bad result for $30.

There was one unexpected side-effect though...

I didn't know this till after, but hotter gasses are louder gasses. The temperature at the tip went from ~140C to about 260C after being wrapped and the cabin volume climbed from 80dB to about 90~95dB.



Things you learn... When its cold, so within half and hour of turning on the car its nice and quiet, but as it gets hotter it gets worse and worse. Free-way driving is totally intolerable with the exhaust just constantly belting out the same tone and being as hot as possible. I'll be switching out the muffler when I drive it down to Melbourne! Definitely something to keep in mind if you're doing something like this, it may not be acceptable.

Oh, and that volume was after insulation the car further than the factory standard.

Darky

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #202 on: October 07, 2015, 05:26:27 PM »
Hi

So less insulation on the exhaust less noise in car.  :-[

Where in Melbourne are you moving too? I'm in Vermont area.

Cheers Rohan

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #203 on: October 08, 2015, 09:06:51 AM »
I've been following this project for a while, but until now I didn't have an account on this forum yet. This may be a crazy question, but is it possible to attach a supercharger to an m42 with an ITB kit like this installed? I've heard of ITBs + Supercharger before but I can't really imagine in my head how it would work, or what it would be like. Do you have any insight?


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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #204 on: October 08, 2015, 09:55:00 AM »
Hi

So less insulation on the exhaust less noise in car.  :-[

Where in Melbourne are you moving too? I'm in Vermont area.

Cheers Rohan

I'm looking into Docklands/CBD/St Kilda and the surrounding areas. I'll be working in the CBD and the closer I am the better. I've done over a decade of 1.5 hour+ each way transit for work/study and I don't want to do it anymore. I'll be sure to show the car regardless though!

Removing the insulation is the obvious solution, but even without the insualtion on the freeway as the exhaust heats up it just becomes too much. I can swap the muffler easy enough as it is on a flange, and one day I'll get one of those fancy valve setups!

I've been following this project for a while, but until now I didn't have an account on this forum yet. This may be a crazy question, but is it possible to attach a supercharger to an m42 with an ITB kit like this installed? I've heard of ITBs + Supercharger before but I can't really imagine in my head how it would work, or what it would be like. Do you have any insight?



Yes you could, but I see a number of issues in doing so - throttle response would be epic though if you could solve the problems.

I'm not sure what would happen with the flow dynamics, it would be interesting. If you were driving along at partial throttle, you would have positive pressure on the butterfly side so you would be accelerating air quite significantly past them. You could potentially end up at supersonic velocities at partial throttle and normal velocities at WOT. Its not unheard of to arrange things like that way, but I would need to read up on it more.

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #205 on: October 10, 2015, 09:48:30 AM »
Now that the kit is complete and up for sale, is it possible to do a recap post that covers all the important notes regarding this install? I would love to buy a set but I'm hesitant that the install may be too complicated. I'm just finishing an M10 -> M42 swap so my abilities are fine, what I'm worried about is possible fabrication work or similar custom work that might pop up once I already have the intake torn apart. I'm not a welder or an engineer so all of that stuff would have to be done if I were going to buy a kit.

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #206 on: October 13, 2015, 07:02:17 AM »

WOOO! NEW EPISODE! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8gdSZtLJQM

Guess which car is coming up next...?  8)

Now that the kit is complete and up for sale, is it possible to do a recap post that covers all the important notes regarding this install? I would love to buy a set but I'm hesitant that the install may be too complicated. I'm just finishing an M10 -> M42 swap so my abilities are fine, what I'm worried about is possible fabrication work or similar custom work that might pop up once I already have the intake torn apart. I'm not a welder or an engineer so all of that stuff would have to be done if I were going to buy a kit.

The kit would suit even a novice (though it would be a bit more stressful as a first job). I'll be doing a full write up on the install in the near future  :D No fabrication required!

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #207 on: October 17, 2015, 09:40:04 AM »
I've been following this project for a while, but until now I didn't have an account on this forum yet. This may be a crazy question, but is it possible to attach a supercharger to an m42 with an ITB kit like this installed? I've heard of ITBs + Supercharger before but I can't really imagine in my head how it would work, or what it would be like. Do you have any insight?

You may need to add something like this to keep temps down http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=191828

Might not be a bad idea on the standard NA setup either

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #208 on: October 23, 2015, 12:38:49 AM »
I was getting super excited to order a kit until I took a closer look at the pictures and realized these are installed on a RHD car. Has anybody installed these onto a LHD model?

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Re: M42/M44 ITB Kit Design
« Reply #209 on: October 23, 2015, 12:31:49 PM »
An update for all you LHD folk out there ;)




Work is still ongoing, there will be more updates soon! :)

So who wants one now you've seen it fitted?   :P

It looks like it's possible, maybe you have to relocate your power-steering-pump-reservoir at e30s or something. What would be the car you're going to fit it?