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achtungE30

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« on: November 16, 2006, 12:35:47 PM »
With all the nightmare horror story threads I've been seeing lately on the chain failing with the tensioner or rails falling apart, I am looking for a clear cut procedure on how to replace mine.

I now drive in complete and utter fear that I'll be stuck someplace on the NJ turnpike or some remote location because of the chain failure.

I currently dont have an e36 bentley but I'd rather have a member's DIY to this.

Anyone?

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2006, 12:55:58 PM »


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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2006, 01:31:49 PM »
wow!!!

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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 05:18:53 PM »
lol

glad that helped.

next time search in the reference thread...there's soooo MUCH info there.

http://m42club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=621

location of the link..


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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2006, 06:26:30 PM »
sorry!!!

you know...i had never thought to look in there...always figured searching and just the DIY sections had it all.....this opens a whole new world for me lol

thanks

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 08:19:10 PM »
It's pretty easy and also quick to pull the lower pan next time you change your oil. My car has 200,000 on it and had nothing at all in the power pan. Consensus is that regular oil changes and no more abuse than necessary (?) will keep them running a long time. On a 15-20 year old car with several owners there is a good possibility of abuse and also lack of maintanence. Some folks drive them quite a while with the diesel noise going on.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 12:25:10 AM »
so is the consensus to do the timing chain if u see a chunk or 2 of chain parts in the pan? I was just doing this as preventive maintenance - now also considering profile/HG while im in there...

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2006, 01:49:12 AM »
If you can spare the time to have the car down for a few days, I would say this isn't a bad job at all.  

I am not super experienced, having changed water pumps and timing belts on a couple of cars.  It wasnt bad.  If you are going through the trouble to get to the chain and sprockets, I would say go ahead and pull the timing case as well to replace the profile gasket...although that means you will need to pull the upper pan as well.  If you go this route, you will not need to touch the head.

Once you get the radiator out of the way, there is plenty of room to work.  It was quite the novelty for me to be cleaning off the front of the block while sitting up from underneath the car :D

I was fortunate enough to have receipts for the past several years when I bought the car.....it looks as though one of the PO had not replaced the tensioner for quite a while.  A loose chain will wear the sprockets very quickly.  It was obvious as both cam sprockets and the crank sprocket teeth were worn down to sharp points.  The upper, lower and guide rail were also worn.  I replaced them all along with a new timing chain.  The idle sprocket and tension rail didnt look bad at all, so they stayed.  I learned quickly while working on my motorcycle to change chains and sprockets as a set.  You really need to replace them together...a worn sprocket with a new chain is just not going to work.

It was a chunk of money to replace these parts, but now I know I wont have to touch it before the rest of the car starts falling to pieces on the expressway!

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2006, 11:51:29 AM »
im quite lucky the motor that im rebuilding was well maintained!

i was going to do this job on my car, but found a parts car with a great drivetrain a while back.

This kind of a job would probably take me the whole day..


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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2006, 04:20:03 PM »
Quote from: iszekeres;13929

It was a chunk of money to replace these parts, but now I know I wont have to touch it before the rest of the car starts falling to pieces on the expressway!


Mind sharing a rough estimate on pricing for all these parts? :)

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2006, 04:56:12 PM »
Not speaking from experience, but I believe I read that all the parts will run you about $500.  

Yes - the value of the car.  :D :)

I'm getting the rattling noises that I believe are due to worn components in my timing case.  I only hear it at idle. I'm hoping to wait until the spring to do mine... That way I'll have the M3 to commute to work while the 318 is down.  (The M3 is in a garage in Vermont for the winter).

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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2006, 06:44:22 PM »
bimmerparts quoted me $665 shipped including thermostat/gaskets, water pump/ gaskets and motor mounts (2) with the timing chain pieces

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2006, 06:54:34 PM »
get your parts from BMA.

bmaparts.com

i would call and speak directly to Patrick!


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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2006, 07:17:19 PM »
Quote from: Zoso;13977
Not speaking from experience, but I believe I read that all the parts will run you about $500.  

Yes - the value of the car.  :D :)



Anywhere in this price range is a good enough reason to just keep driving on my current motor until it craps out and either swap in another longblock or do a s50/m50 swap.

The value of the car according to KBB I'm sure. NADA is always higher for BMW's. :p