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« on: July 27, 2011, 08:48:36 AM »
Looking to upgrade to something quicker, for autoX specially. What's the the box of choice and what's the ease of the swap? I see the E36 come up...is that what I should go for?

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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2011, 12:17:47 PM »
yes, e36 or z3. I just replaced my stock one with the 95 m3 one, which is 3.0 ltl vs. 3.2 ltl for all othe e36s. Mine is linear not progressive but thats fine with me. Transforms car. One of best upgrades for the e30 after doing it. Just took some finese due to air bag steering column.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2011, 01:08:09 PM »
Difficulty level? Is there much in the way of modifications to do the swap?

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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2011, 04:41:43 PM »
From what I've seen (haven't done it myself yet)..you'll need some washers or spacers (e36 rack mounts are skinnier), and the lower cover on the firewall usually needs modified.  If you still have the P/S lines they need tweaked a bit.

Other than that it's a straight swap.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2011, 06:37:18 PM »
You need to modify the PS lines, and disassemble and modify the steering knuckle.  There are some shims that are required to mount the rack to the subframe, but as I recall that's about it.  Zionsville makes an instructional CD/DVD that gives clear instructions, great pictures, and a list of the materials and where to get them.  It's worth the $25.

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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2011, 07:36:49 PM »
There is a write up over at R3V. I did the conversion my self and the only thing I had to do was use some pre-made spacers under the rack (I think they are also for sale over at R3V) , dremel out the firewall a bit and "bend the PS hose to align properly. Did not have to modify my steering knuckle. I used a Z3 rack.

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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2011, 08:17:40 PM »
The steering knuckle will need to be modded if it's not an airbag car.  The airbag column has a shorter knuckle that matches the later e36/Z3 rack.  I'd bet an e46 rack would do the trick too.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2011, 08:44:00 PM »
Correction..The write up is on http://www.e30tech.com along with the spacers needed for the swap. And Dave is correct..Tells us what car you have.

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2011, 08:53:37 PM »
I just went through this on my 91 318is (airbag car) and will write about it with some pics in my profile thread. I have a 95 e36 m3 rack, but should be physically the same as all the other e36 ones. First, you can use the e30 tie rods or use e36 ones. I used e36 ones as they are beefier. Second, you will need spacers when you bolt rack to the subframe. You can use washers or buy a set pre-made. I bought mine from AKG. Someone on e30tech sells them cheaper. Next comes to the firewall plate. In my case, the steering sharft that goes from the knuckle into the steering wheel came out with my rack and knucle. I guess the 32mm nut under the steering wheel was not tight. This made the install more dificult as with the e36 rack the orientation of where the spindle connects is off and make the shaft move over and hit the firewall. Will installing I noticed it would tought the plate that touches the firewall from inside the car. This plate is part of the pedal assembly. In the end, I had to remove knuckle from behind steering wheel and using a dremel was not necessary but the extra room will make sure I won't hear squeaking of the shaft touching the plate. Only issue is the rubber boot to protect water and debris entering the car. I just had to modify it to seal the hole. Regarding the PS lines, you just have to bend the one from the PS pump to the rack, the one with the 19mm banjo bolt. Not hard but just make sure it does not hit the steering knuckle. So in conclusion, not hard, you need spacers and you might have to dremel a little of the opening you have to modify the rubber boot or seal it with something else.

If you have questions, I can help. Going tomorrow for alignment but sure feels nice with a quicker turning ratio.
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2011, 08:17:10 AM »
E46 have better ratio 3 turns from lock to lock.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2011, 08:35:51 AM »
e36 95 m3 - 3.0 (the one I got)
all other e36s - 3.2
z3 - 2.7
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 08:41:40 AM »
Thanks for the follow up guys. I have an air bag car. So are we talking the entire rack or the box?

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2011, 09:58:12 AM »
You swap out the whole rack, our cars do not have a steering gear box.
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2011, 03:45:57 PM »
Quote from: monty23psk;105914
You swap out the whole rack, our cars do not have a steering gear box.


This explains a lot. :lol:

Thanks! I've had little time work on my car or actually see it. It's parked at my dad's. I only get it out to autoX now.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 12:55:36 PM »
Quote from: romkasponka;105749
E46 have better ratio 3 turns from lock to lock.


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