how many would go to FSP scca

[AutoXSS]

i posted this topic on R3vlimited
http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=173997

this is probably a better place to post this. I would love to generate some interest and perhaps get the SPAC to look this way. Im sure many of us here would participate in more autocrosses if we had a legit place to play:o

[al711]

Count me in...I purchased a nice 91 318is in March for the sole purpose of AutoX, I would love for the car to be "back" classed as to more fairly class the car.

[Fraser]

Sounds great, competition would still be tough with the VWs that are usually running around.  I had to drive the snot out of my old ti to come in mid-pack in DSP.

[flyinglizard]

I have a  FSP, 16V Jetta , a FSP/ITB Golf and the M42/30. The  16V Jetta kicks all the ass, esp with my dynamic rear steer system. I cant see the E30/M42 getting any where close to the VW.  The weight is about 200# more.
   The M42 would need a full locker diff,  No AC, big throttle body, a second gear that runs 70mph, etc.  Also 13 in  wheel/tires dont fit over the brakes.  
 The  E 30 is such a nice street car, while the VWs make better race cars and less nice street cars. The VWs are of very low value dollar , while the stock, E30 has some $ value.
  I would feel bad compromising the M42/E30 for the auto cross stuff.
 If you are running in Fl. E mail me and we'll show up with one of the cars. MM

[AutoXSS]

perfect, as long as nobody would think it could run away with the class. I think it would be very competitve in FSP.

I think of it this way, the e30 325i is competitive, and the late e30 318is is the same car without the power(but alittle lighter). How much is that worth, .8sec/course(if that)? Look at nationals this last year and subtract 1.6 from Alex S. time, then take that time to what FSP ran. I know this is a very vague comparison, but just look at the times. It assumes alot, but am i really that far off?

Cant remember if FSP ran in the rain at all, i know DSP ran wet one day. You'd have to check that and probably do a one day comparison.

I would run the 275's on it anyway........

[Romrog318is]

I have a  FSP, 16V Jetta , a FSP/ITB Golf and the M42/30. The  16V Jetta kicks all the ass, esp with my dynamic rear steer system. I cant see the E30/M42 getting any where close to the VW.  The weight is about 200# more.
   The M42 would need a full locker diff,  No AC, big throttle body, a second gear that runs 70mph, etc.  Also 13 in  wheel/tires dont fit over the brakes.  
 The  E 30 is such a nice street car, while the VWs make better race cars and less nice street cars. The VWs are of very low value dollar , while the stock, E30 has some $ value.
  I would feel bad compromising the M42/E30 for the auto cross stuff.
 If you are running in Fl. E mail me and we'll show up with one of the cars. MM

umm all u need to get the 70 MPH 2nd gear is a mark D chip and an E36 GR240 which let me get 71 MPH in 2nd gear
plus no AC isnt hard to do

[AutoXSS]

cant use the e36 tranny in street prepared. chip will work and give u a few more rpm in second though

[Romrog318is]

cant use the e36 tranny in street prepared. chip will work and give u a few more rpm in second though

would they know its a different tranny though? i mean i never knew mine was different till i took it out

[AutoXSS]

You can run it, just dont be surprised when you get protested. I would protest someone if i knew they had an e36 tranny in an e30 if it meant tires were on the line or more. It just aint legit to do it

[jscribble]

That's the point of class racing. I wouldn't want to run in a class that wasn't fair.

[Romrog318is]

You can run it, just dont be surprised when you get protested. I would protest someone if i knew they had an e36 tranny in an e30 if it meant tires were on the line or more. It just aint legit to do it

That's the point of class racing. I wouldn't want to run in a class that wasn't fair.

i know this but im saying i didnt even know it wasnt an E30 transmission untill i took it out when it blew up and say the big input shaft compared to the E30 tranny i sat it beside. and then only getting 65 in 2nd...

and hell i wouldnt even be able to run anywhere near this class considering i have an M52B28 thats about to be a 2.9 stroker S/C ahah

[longtallsally]

I got out of SCCA Solo 2 many years ago for a number of reasons:

1) Driving to wait time ratio.  It is just plain stupid to wait around all day for around 5 minutes TOTAL of driving time.

2) Cost.  In order to make a car competitive where I was (SF Bay) you needed to spend around $20k in modifications for the street prepped classes.  I found that my $11k sport bike went light years faster with no modifications, and I got to spend 20 minutes at a time at full tilt on a full on track multiple times in a day.

3) As is the purpose of this thread, the classes were 15 kinds of stupid.  So you are going to tell me that an E30 325is should run in the same class as an E36 328is?  Yeah sure.  Good luck with that.  Lost cause from the start.

Some examples of how dumb this is that I just got from the SCCA website:
- ASP- Both the 944 (16v) and 944 Turbo and the Carerra 2 and 4 as well as all of the 911 turbos?
- DSP- E30 and E36 328 (um, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no 328 version of the E30), 3 series (16v, NOC) that I'm assuming could only be the 318, E46 328 and 330?
- FSP- 318i (NOC), VW 8v and 16v A2 chassis.

So these idiots are saying that an E30 318is should be in the same class as an E46 330i???  When I started autocrossing, it was in a 16v 1.8l GTI.  It was light years faster than an 8v A2 machine but light years SLOWER than a 2.0l 16v A2 GTI.  It is making me mad to just to do the research again.  What a bunch of pretentious morons.

This is why motorsport is such a clusterfarfugnuven in the States; idiots like the SCCA and AMA make up the most ignorant, un-enthusiast sets of rules that are ridiculously out of touch with reality.

When I get home, if I want to autocross it will be with other organizations than those clowns.

I wish you a lot of luck in getting the class changed, but there are MANY more wholesale changes that need to be made prior to capturing my interest again.  And a good friend of mine is a nationally competitive driver in Street Mod I think and does very well in KS or wherever nationals are every year in a Miata that probably has over $60k invested in it.  Just plain stupid for autocross.