Author Topic: Power Steering Delete (Read 21328 times)

ecalder · « **on:** February 05, 2010, 02:02:12 PM »

OK so I've done some reasearch, I can buy a little aluminum block from powersteeringdeletes.com that works to loop my power steering so I don't have to modify the hose. Question is can I/should I continue to use my leaky rack Also do I completely drain the ATF in the rack that I use?

Thanks.

KenC · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2010, 02:25:48 PM »

You should replace the rack.

Any reason you want to go "manual?" The e30 rack is 4 turns lock to lock, ya know?

carguy101 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2010, 02:37:28 PM »

my rack is more than 4 turns lock to lock

Choking Hazard · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2010, 10:32:47 PM »

A solid E36 or z-3 rack filled with ATF and capped with the bypass block is what I recommmend. On the white car I just finished the z-3 rack install with some new BFG tires when I cracked the head. Thats soon too be correct again, though, along with some mustang injectors and the coolant hose mess delete mod. We are trying to keep the black car whole long enougth to get through my son's first DE in May!

After that I want to remove the pump and put in a bypass block. I think you need a shorter turning circle unless you want to do a work out when you parallel park. Of course, I do that about twice a yeaar or less.

3bvert · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2010, 07:51:43 PM »

I must be missing something,
I keep reading what a work out it is to not have power steering om these little lite e30's,
huh

??
I have no problem
but then again I grew up wiht big heavy jags, adn triumps, and 55 chevys that did not have p/s
then again, im not a girly man
an old man, but not a girly man

Chalino · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2010, 08:50:15 PM »

Mine was "converted" to manual by the PO. The dumbass took everything out an only capped the two holes where the banjo bolts go with bolts.

Anybody that says it's easy to parallel park one of these without PS is lying...unless their name is Magnus and is a competes in strongman competitions. It's not impossible but it is a bitch.

ecalder · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2010, 09:43:09 AM »

Damn if I could only give it a whirl first! I'm no magnus... But this is not my dd either so maybe it's ok to have occasional parking troubles. So I've ordered the block. How do it get the ATF in there? There's some in the rack now but I was testing to see if it would leak and in doing so it all squirted out.

So if I don't like the delete, will this damage my new rack at all or can I then just remove the block and re run all of the hoses?

3bvert · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2010, 11:55:55 AM »

if you just want to try it, just take off the belt and drive it, parallel park it. dont like it, reconnect. do like it then finish delete

what I did was put both bolts in tight to align it, then pull one out. the tight one will keep it aligned
squirt fliud in, replace bolt, turn lock to lock a few times, remove bolt, top off, replace

as far as easy to parallel park
for me im not lying, for me its not an issue
but i only have to parralell one time a day, and when your rolling I really like the non p/s road feel
to me it was worth getting rid of the extra belt, the ps leaks and cleaning things up
( i also have a/c delete and fan and fan clutch delete)
and any parasitic delete helps

no p/s, no a/c/ no fan,no throttle body crap, big injectors, cop kit, chipped all of those will help these little motors

tjts1 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2010, 05:24:26 PM »

Quote from: ecalder;86742

OK so I've done some reasearch, I can buy a little aluminum block from powersteeringdeletes.com that works to loop my power steering so I don't have to modify the hose. Question is can I/should I continue to use my leaky rack Also do I completely drain the ATF in the rack that I use?

Thanks.

You don't need to buy anything. Remove the pump and hoses, drain rack by turning the steering wheel from lock to lock with the banjo bolts removed, then reinstall the banjo bolts with a very short piece of hose over them. The power steering fluid does not lubricate the rack. It is a hydraulic fluid to transfer power from the pump to the rack. The rack it self is lubricated with grease just like a manual rack. That powersteeringdeletes.com is a crock of shit for lack of a better term. You don't need to loop the lines because without the PS pump there is no pressure in the system.

I've had mine like this for almost 3 years now. The rack is still good as new with no fluid inside.

Chalino · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2010, 09:14:02 PM »

tjts, you always come through with no-bullshit responses; love it. Now that I think of it, it makes perfect sense that the fluid is only needed by the pump and hydaulic system. I guess my setup is just fine.

1991 E30 M42 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2010, 09:54:16 PM »

Quote from: Chalino;86834

Mine was "converted" to manual by the PO. The dumbass took everything out an only capped the two holes where the banjo bolts go with bolts.

Anybody that says it's easy to parallel park one of these without PS is lying...unless their name is Magnus and is a competes in strongman competitions. It's not impossible but it is a bitch.

It is not that hard without power steering, I can one hand it when I'm pulling into a spot and I can parallel park with little effort. The trick is to be moving when you turn the wheels and make sure your tires are inflated to the proper pressure.

Chalino · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2010, 10:46:10 PM »

It's just fine when the car is moving as many have stated but no PS in conjunction with an touchy ass clutch, keeping the car moving in a smooth manner is close to impossible. I find myslef putting my weight into the steering wheel to make it turn when I'm a dead stop.

The few times my wife was gotten the courage to ride in the car and sees me struggling she gives me a "WTF are you doing?" look. I try to explain the lack of power steering but she really doesn't understand what I'm saying...

doitover · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2010, 09:25:20 AM »

I've had my power steering out for a few months now. It is tolerable and I like it the way it is. On the other hand it is a workout for low speed turning. It is pretty clear that the steering cover life will be affected by the extra effort.

If not for the low speed effort you really won't think about it after a week or two, unless you are going between cars that have it and don't.

ecalder · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2010, 09:55:44 PM »

Awesome, thanks for all of the feedback. I'll be moving on to the rack after I get all of my oil leaks solved. I noticed that without the lower oil pan I have a better view of the rack. Should I wait until after I have replaced the rack to re-attach the oil pan or will it not make a difference?

iamcreepingdeath · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2010, 10:03:22 PM »

one question: does it suck to race autocross with no PS?