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Jtuner

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2006, 05:20:39 PM »
What's the stock size of the m42's exhaust? When I was under my car lookin at it with the exhaust guy, I thought we agreed we thought it was around 2.25" already..?? is this right er?

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2006, 02:02:59 AM »
Last time i measured i came up with 2" I.D.

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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2006, 09:47:49 AM »
The stock exhaust piping is 2.25 (2 1/4) that's the size opening I needed when I purchased my magnaflow exhaust. The magnaflow sounds real nice outside of the car, but inside it whales like an out of control beast. I'm not a big fan of the sound inside the car. Does anyone have a sound clip of the supersprint exhaust on a m42? I've heard them on 325's, but the sound can be totally different with the 4 banger. As for the stock exhaust they are very very quiet, if you don't want to hear any exhaust sound that's the way to go, but I like a little rumble when I'm at wot :) .

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2006, 01:48:04 PM »
Yeah what I want to avoid is sounding like a honda... I think I may keep the stock exhaust since it is pretty decent sized, and just put on an intake for sound.. I love the sound of my car but I don't want it to 'fart' or 'buzz',, that shit is for ricers...
If anyone knows of a muffler thats nice and throaty, and not so loud that the cops will look at me when I drive by, POST IT!!

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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2006, 08:07:13 PM »
Quote from: Jtuner
Yeah what I want to avoid is sounding like a honda... I think I may keep the stock exhaust since it is pretty decent sized, and just put on an intake for sound.. I love the sound of my car but I don't want it to 'fart' or 'buzz',, that shit is for ricers...
If anyone knows of a muffler thats nice and throaty, and not so loud that the cops will look at me when I drive by, POST IT!!

You could try what I did.
Cut out most of the front and fenderwell side of the stock intake, sounds really good.
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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2006, 08:33:52 PM »
Sheepdog, could you please post a pic of your air box or give me a little more detail on the dimensions of the cut out?

Thanks a bunch,
Fabby

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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2006, 02:08:40 PM »
Quote from: JDNo.5
Does anyone have a sound clip of the supersprint exhaust on a m42? I've heard them on 325's, but the sound can be totally different with the 4 banger. .


This is my 318ti (M44) with the Supersprint cat-back. I would expect the M42 to sound very similar.

http://www.putfile.com/bullmand

BTW, please excuse the crappy quality. That was recorded with my still camera.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2006, 02:11:09 PM by bullmand »

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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2006, 03:07:43 AM »
Oh dear god that sounds sweet :D That's exactly the sound that a bmr should make!! So Supersprint seems like a good choice lol I heard clips of the stromburg(??) i think it was, exhaust, and that sounded pretty sweet on a ti.. I don't see where people get off by saying that the magnaflow and dynomax mufflers have a comparable sound to this supersprint and the stromburg.. I've heard those cheaper mufflers and guess what,, sounds like a damn honda......

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2006, 07:08:35 AM »
sounds nice, how high did u rev it there

i too am looking for a quiet civilized exhaust, one that upholds the good name of my car... as unfortunatley the po had little understanding of just what a roundel really is

sheepdog, i dont think it will be easy to install the 325 exhaust because of the tip... how its slanty and all... one of the sexiest sounding engines is the M20 i think so i wonder how that system will make an m42 sound

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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2006, 09:57:42 AM »
Yeah, I've had that exhaust for about 6 years now and I've been very happy with it. The only down side is the cost. I got an unrepeatable smokin' deal on mine, so I can't complain, but I'd hate to have to replace it. Berlin, that was up to somewhere between 4 and 5K I think. The engine wasn't very warm so I didn't want to go crazy.

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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2006, 10:00:23 PM »
Quote from: Berlin
sounds nice, how high did u rev it there

i too am looking for a quiet civilized exhaust, one that upholds the good name of my car... as unfortunatley the po had little understanding of just what a roundel really is

sheepdog, i dont think it will be easy to install the 325 exhaust because of the tip... how its slanty and all... one of the sexiest sounding engines is the M20 i think so i wonder how that system will make an m42 sound

I am saying just use the muffler and cat. Not the entire exhaust system itself.
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2006, 02:56:04 AM »
yaya i get it, its just that the cat is really different and the downpipe into it aswell, so youd be better off using our cat but then it only has one output and the 325's muffler has 2 inlets

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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2006, 01:43:29 AM »
Quote from: bullmand
This is my 318ti (M44) with the Supersprint cat-back. I would expect the M42 to sound very similar.

http://www.putfile.com/bullmand

BTW, please excuse the crappy quality. That was recorded with my still camera.


WOW :eek: , that's what an aftermarket exhaust is suppose to sound like. Man, if you were working for Supersprint you just closed a sale...

DOH at least an 8 week backorder on the Supersprint for the M42... DAM, why must all the stuff I order for this car be on backorder??? :mad:

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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2006, 02:06:44 AM »
Quote from: JDNo.5
WOW :eek: , that's what an aftermarket exhaust is suppose to sound like. Man, if you were working for Supersprint you just closed a sale...

DOH at least an 8 week backorder on the Supersprint for the M42... DAM, why must all the stuff I order for this car be on backorder??? :mad:

IE3 Flashbacks… DOH!!! :D


it'd be nice to hear it approaching redline..


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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2006, 08:05:22 AM »
Quote from: Febi Guibo
(I think I have a good understanding of exhaustion, however...)

ok, I don't know squat about exhausts, tuning exhausts, etc. etc. I have had stock exhausts on every car I've owned with the exception of a custom exhaust system that was recently on my M42 (2.5" pipe, magnaflow muffler, magnaflow cat with no resonator).

I *hated* the setup. As you have probably guessed, it was way too loud for my fuddy-duddy tastes (it drowned out NPR on the radio) but more importantly, I'm not sure exactly what it was doing for the car's overall performance.

At WOT, I'm reasonably sure the setup boosted performance; I'm know any car engine is basically like an air pump, and (I suppose) the more air that can move out of the engine, the better... at the same time, I felt like I was driving a bi-plane.

It was really really loud, which did have it's thrilling moments... mothers pulled their children away from the curb when I drove by. Guys on motorcycles would turn and point... When I'd cruise Rice Vegas (I live near chinatown) I had a few envious looks from the dudes in their honduhs.

But... at PART THROTTLE, the system was wildly inconsistent... sometimes it sounded quiet, sometimes sounded good, and sometimes... sounded like... well, like ass.

(please excused the following wildly, probably inaccurate subjective observation) It sorta sounded like... sometimes air would flow very smoothly through the thing, and other times, there was just a ton of air hanging out in the system.

for example... say I'm doing around 75 mph at around uh 3600 rpm... the exhaust sounds terrible (un-natural gurgling, etc. etc.) ...I downshift to 4th, speed up to say, 85 (4000rpm-ish), there's a rasp, a loud long farting or whatever (not me, the exhaust), and then put it back into fifth, back to 75mph, and... the exhaust sounds great! kinda nice actually! What gives?

sooo... if anyone with an engineering background or a lot of experience with aftermarket exhausts (eg, everyone else on this board except me) can chime in, I await yer knowledge and insight.

thanks!



I just found this thread (missed it during my move before), and I'll try to throw in my .02 on this subject.

First, as has been said, BMW engineered the origional exhaust system quite well, ballancing all of their requirements nicely.  It's quiet, doesn't take up more space than necessary, and doesn't rob too much power.

Most people will replace their exhaust for one of three reasons:  1) it's worn out (rusted, etc...)  2)  they're looking for a performance improvement  or 3)  they're looking for a different sound.  As far as those reasons go, #1 is totally legitimate.  #2 may be legitimate, but you are really wasting your money when there are much bigger gains to be found elswhere on anything close to a stock motor.  #3, well, I guess if you have a couple hundred extra dollars to throw away, whatever.

OK, now that that's out of the way, let's get into how the exhaust works.  Lots of times ( and in this thread as well) people will tell you that you need "Backpressure"  that can be gained by using a stock (relatively small diameter) pipe to help with low end torque.  They are getting to the correct answer, but their science is flawed.  You will absolutely hurt your driveability and performance if you go larger than 2.25 on the street, but the reason is due to scavenging effects.  When you use the correct diameter pipe, the exhaust must increase velocity as it travels through the exhaust system. As it speeds up, it will help create a slight vacum on the ehaust port at the cyllinder head.  When the next exhaust valve opens, the vacum "sucks" the exhaust out, allowing more air to enter the cyllinder during the next intake stroke.  When you increase your pipe diameter, the exhaust velocity slows, you don't get the vacum, and you actually will lose power, compared with the smaller pipe.

As a side note, this is the exact reason that V type engines with dual exhaust incorporate a ballance "H" or "X" pipe.  The crossover enables better scavenging.

So, what is the best type of exhaust for any particular car?  That's a question better suited for an engineer, not a criminal justice major.  All I know is that it depends on a lot of different factors, including the size and type of engine, and the desired rpm range of your powerband.

Febi, to answer the part of your post regarding the strange sounds coming from your exhaust, the main reason is that you have an exhaust that does not match up to your engine at all.  When you get systems that don't work together, you can get strange harmonic frequencies at different rpm ranges, and that's what you're encountering.

Bottom line:  Those German engineers knew what the heck they were doing.  If free power was as easy as slapping on a bigger pipe, our cars would come from the factory with huge ricer exhaust systems.

  Here's my recommendation for a (fairly) cheap exhaust that will not sound bad, and will give you as good power as anything:  2.25 inch pipe, with either a Dynomax Super Turbo muffler, or a Summitt Turbo muffler.  any exhaust shop can hook you up with the pipes for cheap.  I have experience with both of the aforementioned mufflers, and would recommend either.  Both are slightly louder than stock, but not so much that small children will cower in fear.  More importantly, both work well and are inexpensive.

OK.  Long post.  Hopefully I've answered some of your exhaust questions and cleared things up a little bit.

Brian