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deekay

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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2010, 08:56:32 PM »
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Itb's needs cams. In a n/a situation these cams have lots of over lap and duration. However, i recall from somewhere that turbos do not respond well to lots of overlap. So...whats the solution for a turbo with itb's.


turbo cars don't like overlap because that is when your intake and exhaust valves are open at the same time. given that the intake side of things is pressurized, if both sets of valves are open, your air/fuel charge will blow through and out of the combustion chamber and never get lit by spark.

that said- the m42 has adjustable cam sprockets. if you find yourslf limited by the stock cams and need something more aggressive, and the grind profile has overlap when both cams are at 0deg, then advance the intake cam and retard the exhaust cam until overlap is gone.

i have itb's now, have most of the turbo bits ready, just saving up to get it all put in. i think i'm going to be fine with the stock cams... but your goals may be different. if you are trying to make peak power above 7000rpm, then i would worry about the cam profile. otherwise i think you will be OK with stockers.
5-lug'd big-braked torsen'd hardtop'd ITB'd m42 vert
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Ryann

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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2010, 10:53:03 PM »
Everybody's debating the ITB's- something I observed my dad discover while messing with intake setups and different runner lengths, etc. on his 240Z track car is that there is a lot to tuning an intake! Closing valves create pressure waves that can starve successive cylinders of their mixture and so forth. Short runners favor high revs which require short ratio gear boxes to utilize effectively. What we need is a performance tuner to engineer an effective setup that takes the guesswork out of the equation. Then we can simply go out and purchase it for $2495! Argue about HP all you guys want, but I think the real benefit to ITB's is wicked fast throttle response. No argument there. Also, I'm thinking a guy's not going to get much boost before knock while turbocharging an engine with a 10:1 CR. Planning on a piston swap?
« Last Edit: February 15, 2010, 10:58:12 PM by Ryann »
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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2010, 12:35:51 AM »
Quote from: JulianS;87549
615,5 hp at the wheels: http://www.pure-pf.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4425&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=209


Once again, NO! He is a friend of mine and I know what I'm talking about. That curve is recalculated to flywheel hp. Since you are from norway you should be able to understand swedish pretty well, what does Bmwandreas say in the top post on page 9 in his thread?

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« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2010, 12:38:00 AM »
Quote from: Ryann;87569
Also, I'm thinking a guy's not going to get much boost before knock while turbocharging an engine with a 10:1 CR. Planning on a piston swap?


With E85 fuel it's fully possible :)

deekay

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« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2010, 02:22:04 PM »
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What we need is a performance tuner to engineer an effective setup that takes the guesswork out of the equation. Then we can simply go out and purchase it for $2495!


you mean like this?



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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2010, 02:55:17 PM »
DIY is much cheaper.

deekay

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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2010, 04:28:44 PM »
Quote from: dvmotorsports;87666
DIY is much cheaper.

we know. but that's not what we're talking about.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2010, 08:47:43 PM by deekay »
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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2010, 02:24:10 AM »
Shameless plug.

I have an ITB stup for sale in the for sale forum if anyone is interested in upping their game.