The S42 Race Engine !!!! - Page 5 - M42club.com

swiss318is · 04-29-2008, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

Thanks for all youve done swiss, if it wasnt for you my mind would already be set on the honda engine

please no rice-bombers..

i mean they are very cool cars and the engines have the redline where we have the fuel-consumption gauge..

.. but the parts for them are sooooo expensive.. and there is more electronic than in the spaceshuttle!! and you see them on every corner!!
my friend is a honda-mechanic and he has a few hondas, but he is always looking what i am doing with my 3 bmw's...

kowalski · 04-29-2008, 01:07 PM

it looks a lot like a joke. take it easy.

RouteZeroDesign · 04-29-2008, 03:29 PM

swiss i dont think he was making an actual accusation of racism, i think it was just a tongue in cheek play on words, nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
My advice, so as not to mess up your own thread, is to delete the little outburst you had.
Not that you didn't make a valid point, but just to avoid drama.

Its very difficult to express sarcasm or tongue in cheek using the medium of text, so lets all be m42/44 loving buddies

Honda engines are great, and can rev for days...to be honest, i wish my m44 had some of the honda engine's characteristics but the hassle of fitting a non bmw engine into a bmw doesnt seem worth it.
My only option is to spend the money i would have spent on the conversion on building a very strong m42

swiss318is · 04-29-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

swiss i dont think he was making an actual accusation of racism, i think it was just a tongue in cheek play on words, nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
My advice, so as not to mess up your own thread, is to delete the little outburst you had.
Not that you didn't make a valid point, but just to avoid drama.

Its very difficult to express sarcasm or tongue in cheek using the medium of text, so lets all be m42/44 loving buddies

what has a WHITE RACE CAR to do with racism???thats the point..
i dont care, you all know that wasnt a "joke" but anyway..! as a bouncer in front of a club i have every single weekend (thursday/friday/saturday) stupid discussion about racism and ethnicity..! every month it ends at least once with knifes, blood, broken bones and a lot of police.... because of "jokes" like that!

Quote:

Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

Honda engines are great, and can rev for days...to be honest, i wish my m44 had some of the honda engine's characteristics but the hassle of fitting a non bmw engine into a bmw doesnt seem worth it.
My only option is to spend the money i would have spent on the conversion on building a very strong m42

yes, a bmw engine with some honda engine characteristics, a high rev limit, non hydro-lifters, etc.. i am building a strong m42 at the moment and hoping to get 180hp out of the engine.. but we will see!

e30Andym42 · 04-29-2008, 06:24 PM

can't wait for the money to make a super m42 like that

if you're doing it, good luck and keep us posted on how it goes like i know you would

RouteZeroDesign · 04-29-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by swiss318is

what has a WHITE RACE CAR to do with racism???thats the point..
i dont care, you all know that wasnt a "joke" but anyway..! as a bouncer in front of a club i have every single weekend (thursday/friday/saturday) stupid discussion about racism and ethnicity..! every month it ends at least once with knifes, blood, broken bones and a lot of police.... because of "jokes" like that!

I understand where your coming from. Ive been a bouncer for my friends band a few times and ive had the racist/sexist/etc card pulled on me too...when i am none of those things and it has really annoyed me too

I just dont think that beegeezy was trying anything of that sort, merely trying to create banter.
But i can see where your coming from, there was no need to bring race into a thread about cars.
Anyway, the issue is over, no harm was done.
lets not let it turn a brilliant thread nasty.

TOPIC NOW CHANGED BACK TO S42

Swiss-
I managed to locate a bmw motorsport specialist today, about two hours north of my house.
He has loads of M\\\ parts along with ex-racing parts, including ex BTCC e36s.
Hopefully he will be able to source, or at least give me information on, an s42 crank.

Just wondering,
will you be going back on a second trip to get info on the s42?
I havent posted in this thread in a few weeks due to my brief interest in the f20c.

swiss318is · 04-30-2008, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

TOPIC NOW CHANGED BACK TO S42

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....this thread was always for the S42 and the WHITE RACE CAR i took the pics of...

Quote:

Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

Swiss-
I managed to locate a bmw motorsport specialist today, about two hours north of my house.
He has loads of M\\\ parts along with ex-racing parts, including ex BTCC e36s.
Hopefully he will be able to source, or at least give me information on, an s42 crank..

nice to hear that you probably found a bmw source "near" your home. i probably know where to get s42 cranks.... but they are freaking expensive... around +2500.-$ a piece! whole engine between 16000.-$ and +45000.-$ depends on the evo steps.. and if rebuild or not.. the engine of the car, where i have the pics, need a rebuild every ~1000km for thousands of swissfrancs... thats the reason why the owner dont race that much....

Quote:

Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

Just wondering,
will you be going back on a second trip to get info on the s42?
I havent posted in this thread in a few weeks due to my brief interest in the f20c.

if i had time enough.. i would go there everyday..

it would not be the second trip my friend, it would be the 4th...

, i still need some pics of the cams, valves, camcarriers and the whole car lifted up... oilcatchtank around the gearbox etc...
but at the moment i have NO TIME

but i promise that i go as soon as possible.... to take some

pics!!!

swiss318is · 04-30-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

.....I havent posted in this thread in a few weeks due to my brief interest in the f20c....

whats a f20c??? whipper-engine on a 320i stw???

beegeezy · 04-30-2008, 12:15 PM

Whoa, swiss, calm down man. I was just joking, messing with hoevesruperd . Haha, how could someone really get offended by saying "white race cars rule"? Its just jokes, didnt think anyone would flip.

beegeezy · 04-30-2008, 12:29 PM

[quote=swiss318is;48144]
i have friends with other colors of skin.. and they drive white cars too.. same as i do!!theres no problem!!only if you are looking for one
[quote]

haha, Im my own colored friend. I drive whatever I own, dont really care about color(cant be something nasty though, like pink). Again, wasnt looking to cause a problem with anyone, sorry if it was taken badly by anyone. CAnt say it wont happen again, cause I joke a lot, but Ill try to make it more blatant.

colin86325 · 04-30-2008, 09:53 PM

A guy in New Zealand is selling a bunch of S42 parts (or he was a couple of months ago). If anybody is interested I can dig the info back up.

swiss318is · 05-01-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by colin86325

A guy in New Zealand is selling a bunch of S42 parts (or he was a couple of months ago). If anybody is interested I can dig the info back up.

yes, i already know.. but the parts are from an early s42 engine.. it was pretty much the same as our m42 parts...!! i am more interested in the latest s42 parts .... year 94-96 or so...

that are the real nasty parts for quys like us...!!!!

RouteZeroDesign · 05-01-2008, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiss318is

nice to hear that you probably found a bmw source "near" your home. i probably know where to get s42 cranks.... but they are freaking expensive... around +2500.-$ a piece! whole engine between 16000.-$ and +45000.-$ depends on the evo steps.. and if rebuild or not.. the engine of the car, where i have the pics, need a rebuild every ~1000km for thousands of swissfrancs... thats the reason why the owner dont race that much....

Well its close enough, only a two hour blast up the motorway

I was talking to him today and apparently he can do different evolutionary steps between the m42 and the s42.
Obviously the further your go towarsd the s42 the less road worthy it becomes.

SO i might aim somewhere in the middle....
Im aiming for the e36 equivalent to the e30 m3's s14 engine..that is my new goal!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiss318is

if i had time enough.. i would go there everyday.. it would not be the second trip my friend, it would be the 4th..., i still need some pics of the cams, valves, camcarriers and the whole car lifted up... oilcatchtank around the gearbox etc...
but at the moment i have NO TIME but i promise that i go as soon as possible.... to take some pics!!!

4TH TRIP!?!?....thats dedication man

Il post up anything that i can think of for you to take photos of, whenever you go of course

Oh btw: i found out that the dry sump tank isnt 'AROUND' the gearbox, its part of it.

Beegeezy- thanks for clearing that up man, more blatant jokes in future

Colin- if you could get info that would be brilliant.
Any info is good for the s42. especially the early stuff which is closer to the m42!

RouteZeroDesign · 05-01-2008, 03:03 PM

Found some more pics.....the more the merrier and all that

A good picture of the crank pulleys

Letsplayskatch · 05-01-2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

A guy in New Zealand is selling a bunch of S42 parts (or he was a couple of months ago). If anybody is interested I can dig the info back up.

SHOTGUN on any intake manifolds he has! hahaha

RouteZeroDesign · 05-01-2008, 06:05 PM

DAMN VULTURES

Ive spent this evening reading up on the pros and cons of double injectors.
Seems like a good idea to have one small set for low rpm/velocity use, and then a second set to kick in at a certain duty cycle/rpm to provide fueling better suited to high rpm use.....also the smaller injectors will make tuning idle allot easier.... all most the best of both worlds.

anybody have experience/info/thoughts with double injection?

mkodama · 05-01-2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

DAMN VULTURES

Ive spent this evening reading up on the pros and cons of double injectors.
Seems like a good idea to have one small set for low rpm/velocity use, and then a second set to kick in at a certain duty cycle/rpm to provide fueling better suited to high rpm use.....also the smaller injectors will make tuning idle allot easier.... all most the best of both worlds.

anybody have experience/info/thoughts with double injection?

Other than slightly added complexity, and a miniscule amount of weight, I don't really see many cons to double injectors. I'm pretty sure that with two smaller injectors per port, you can get more accurate fuel metering and better fuel atomization, which would be helpful improvements for engine dynamics.

I don't even think you need to stage the injector usages because the improvements from twice the injectors, alone, helps through out the entire RPM range. Also it's not like the S42 was even intended for idling smoothly or using the first half of it's RPM range.

Swiss: I would definitely be interested in fuel pressure, flow rates of the injectors and any more pics of the intake and throttle body assembly. You are awesome by the way for taking the effort to get all the nice high res. pictures and post them up.

Letsplayskatch · 05-01-2008, 07:36 PM

Injectors on my dads trackday S14B25 M3 engine.

I remember what it was like before he had the airbox w/injector set up. They make a huuuge difference. The airbox alone proved yield an extra 25bhp, so the injectors must yield maybe half that, atleast. Ill most definately be looking into this for my own M42/44 stroker engine setup

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mkodama · 05-01-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Letsplayskatch

Injectors on my dads trackday S14B25 M3 engine.

http://www.bmsport.com/images/galler...lery-5-big.jpg

I remember what it was like before he had the airbox w/injector set up. They make a huuuge difference. The airbox alone proved yield an extra 25bhp, so the injectors must yield maybe half that, atleast. Ill most definately be looking into this for my own M42/44 stroker engine setup

.

Nice picture!

I would love to make a carbon fiber intake plenum/airbox for the M42. Been reading up on making stuff from carbon fiber and recently bough a vacuum pump for vacuum bagging parts. I wish tim_s would respond to my PM's about how he made his fiberglass intake so I would have a good starting point.

e30 4cyl · 05-01-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mkodama

I would love to make a carbon fiber intake plenum/airbox for the M42. Been reading up on making stuff from carbon fiber and recently bough a vacuum pump for vacuum bagging parts. I wish tim_s would respond to my PM's about how he made his fiberglass intake so I would have a good starting point.

I would definately be down for a fiberglass version, maybe carbon fiber if it is not too expensive. There seems to be pretty high demand for these but it is hard to find them.

swiss318is · 05-02-2008, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

4TH TRIP!?!?....thats dedication man

Il post up anything that i can think of for you to take photos of, whenever you go of course

Oh btw: i found out that the dry sump tank isnt 'AROUND' the gearbox, its part of it.!

i post EVERY single pic i have of the car and the engineparts, i dont have more... yes, the owner told me that the dry-sump is around the gearbox but in the same house...?!?we will see...

Quote:

Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

Any info is good for the s42. especially the early stuff which is closer to the m42!

yes, i am very interested in that too...

swiss318is · 05-02-2008, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkodama

Swiss: I would definitely be interested in fuel pressure, flow rates of the injectors and any more pics of the intake and throttle body assembly. You are awesome by the way for taking the effort to get all the nice high res. pictures and post them up.

i will add that to the long wish list...

and its not a big effort, its dedication to one of the most interesting engine for the m42 community...

swiss318is · 05-02-2008, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RouteZeroDesign

Found some more pics.....the more the merrier and all that

A good picture of the crank pulleys

no, crankshaft damper?? what do you think would happen if i remove that on my engine?? destruction?? i am planning to machine some small pulleys out of aluminum to reduce the drag on the crank and gain 1-2-3-4-5...??? hp's!!!

interesting flywheel...

swiss318is · 05-02-2008, 04:34 AM

a better pic of the flywheel... ;-P

04-29-2008, 01:07 PM	#98
kowalski El' Duder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada, BC Posts: 1,345	it looks a lot like a joke. take it easy. __________________ Sale: EBC Green stuff pads = $60 shipped front and rear set available Send $ to: kroeker.michael @ gmail.com Fore Sale Thread

04-29-2008, 03:29 PM	#99
RouteZeroDesign Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 132	swiss i dont think he was making an actual accusation of racism, i think it was just a tongue in cheek play on words, nothing to do with race or ethnicity. My advice, so as not to mess up your own thread, is to delete the little outburst you had. Not that you didn't make a valid point, but just to avoid drama. Its very difficult to express sarcasm or tongue in cheek using the medium of text, so lets all be m42/44 loving buddies Honda engines are great, and can rev for days...to be honest, i wish my m44 had some of the honda engine's characteristics but the hassle of fitting a non bmw engine into a bmw doesnt seem worth it. My only option is to spend the money i would have spent on the conversion on building a very strong m42 __________________

04-29-2008, 06:24 PM	#101
e30Andym42 Advanced Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 180	can't wait for the money to make a super m42 like that if you're doing it, good luck and keep us posted on how it goes like i know you would __________________ If you feel safe, you actually aren't. That's why we drift around corners, to feel safe. "Objects in mirror are slow"

04-30-2008, 12:15 PM	#105
beegeezy Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: placerville, ca Posts: 123	Whoa, swiss, calm down man. I was just joking, messing with hoevesruperd . Haha, how could someone really get offended by saying "white race cars rule"? Its just jokes, didnt think anyone would flip. __________________ It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

04-30-2008, 12:29 PM	#106
beegeezy Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: placerville, ca Posts: 123	[quote=swiss318is;48144] i have friends with other colors of skin.. and they drive white cars too.. same as i do!!theres no problem!!only if you are looking for one [quote] haha, Im my own colored friend. I drive whatever I own, dont really care about color(cant be something nasty though, like pink). Again, wasnt looking to cause a problem with anyone, sorry if it was taken badly by anyone. CAnt say it wont happen again, cause I joke a lot, but Ill try to make it more blatant. __________________ It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

04-30-2008, 09:53 PM	#107
colin86325 Advanced Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orange, Ca Posts: 296	A guy in New Zealand is selling a bunch of S42 parts (or he was a couple of months ago). If anybody is interested I can dig the info back up.

05-01-2008, 03:03 PM	#110
RouteZeroDesign Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 132	Found some more pics.....the more the merrier and all that A good picture of the crank pulleys __________________

05-01-2008, 06:05 PM	#112
RouteZeroDesign Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 132	DAMN VULTURES Ive spent this evening reading up on the pros and cons of double injectors. Seems like a good idea to have one small set for low rpm/velocity use, and then a second set to kick in at a certain duty cycle/rpm to provide fueling better suited to high rpm use.....also the smaller injectors will make tuning idle allot easier.... all most the best of both worlds. anybody have experience/info/thoughts with double injection? __________________

05-01-2008, 07:36 PM	#114
Letsplayskatch Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United Kingdom. Posts: 116	Injectors on my dads trackday S14B25 M3 engine. I remember what it was like before he had the airbox w/injector set up. They make a huuuge difference. The airbox alone proved yield an extra 25bhp, so the injectors must yield maybe half that, atleast. Ill most definately be looking into this for my own M42/44 stroker engine setup . __________________

05-02-2008, 04:34 AM	#120
swiss318is Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: bern, switzerland Posts: 862	a better pic of the flywheel... ;-P __________________ if everything seems under control, you are not driving fast enough

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