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« on: May 18, 2006, 11:40:40 AM »
Go buy it NOW!  They got the DASC on their e30 project car and it put down 188hp at the rear wheels.  They did a pretty good write up as well.

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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2006, 06:00:40 PM »
Just got thru reading the article. Also, the page after the article is an ad for Downing Atlanta. They are now selling a complete kit for the E30!

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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2006, 06:54:07 PM »
This Aussie will drop pants for the June GRM.

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2006, 07:32:56 PM »
NICE!!! I'll go check it out tomorrow!! I bet the S/C kit will be around $3K?

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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2006, 08:21:26 PM »
I think it was around $3400. They still have a few issues for later installments. I just glanced over it so far but I think they were having some slightly lean issues and were talking about swapping injectors at a later date.

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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2006, 08:43:51 PM »
$3995

And the 19# injectors should solve their problem.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2006, 08:09:21 AM »
Seeing how I haven't gotten a GRM in a while..I simply bought a copy from Barnes & Noble last night. I read it in the store before getting home :rolleyes: and I must say it seems this will really make DA modify their current application for the m42 guys.

I like how they took the e30 m3 and sliced it up as not being a viable venture for their project budget and didn't think an s50 swap or 6 cylinder variant was worthy either (not gonna open this can of worms).

The brake booster mod seems simple enough along with the pulley swaps to run the mid gen m44/m42 serpentine belt system.

I would imagine a car mapped off MS with an AFM delete along with a better fuel management system would be beneficial. Seeing that this system is made to be a conservative, CARB legal modification, I wonder if 20hp is lying elsewhere to be gained and what the extra cost will be?

I wonder how this setup will take to a long header design with a high flow cat set up along with an injector upgrade  as mentioned above?

The cons of the roots blowers as being less thermal efficient, having a higher parasitic loss are the only ones of concern to our application based on them overcoming fitment and clearance issues relatively easily. Anyone agree with me.

So now the question would be, build up a motor'd up bottom-end and top-end style motor like Febi or Tim S, Go with a DA style set up for approx 5-6k (factoring in petty upgrades needed not included as we all KNOW, no project is as simple as A-B-C). It's evident it takes almost the same amount of money to do this but the level of technical complexity and long term effects are yet to be seen. Monetary investment seems to be relatively the same surprisingly.

I am curious to see who will go with any of these set ups and take them to the track for SCCA or BMWCCA racing as that's where the true durability and competitiveness would show. Perhaps and aftercooled DA m42 :cool: ?

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2006, 11:55:20 AM »
Quote from: e9nine
s not being a viable venture for their project budget and didn't think an s50 swap or 6 cylinder variant was worthy either (not gonna open this can of worms).

The brake booster mod seems simple enough along with the pulley swaps to run the mid gen m44/m42 serpentine belt system.

I would imagine a car mapped off MS with an AFM delete along with a better fuel management system would be beneficial. Seeing that this system is made to be a conservative, CARB legal modification, I wonder if 20hp is lying elsewhere to be gained and what the extra cost will be?

I wonder how this setup will take to a long header design with a high flow cat set up along with an injector upgrade  as mentioned above?

The cons of the roots blowers as being less thermal efficient, having a higher parasitic loss are the only ones of concern to our application based on them overcoming fitment and clearance issues relatively easily. Anyone agree with me.

So now the question would be, build up a motor'd up bottom-end and top-end style motor like Febi or Tim S, Go with a DA style set up for approx 5-6k (factoring in petty upgrades needed not included as we all KNOW, no project is as simple as A-B-C). It's evident it takes almost the same amount of money to do this but the level of technical complexity and long term effects are yet to be seen. Monetary investment seems to be relatively the same surprisingly.

I am curious to see who will go with any of these set ups and take them to the track for SCCA or BMWCCA racing as that's where the true durability and competitiveness would show. Perhaps and aftercooled DA m42 :cool: ?

What I gathered was that while they could do those other cars, they did not want to, besides after talking to other owners, it seems the 6 does push a lot more and the m3 is heavy. There is some serious differences in handling and the way they drive in general.



As for the blowers, I have been looking into this for a while, but figured teh computer would need work adn such, apparently not.  I have been loooking for an easy way to do something similar as well. My brother and I have always wondered about the Eaton M45 and M62. The 62 is used by Pontiac and can be had rebuilt for $600. Used for $200. It is however a bit large, but would be useable. The m45 is used on the Mini Cooper S, it is a bit harder to find, and there was no buy it nows so we are not sure what they are averaging at the moment.

With some slight changes to the upper intake we igure the booster would not need to be moved and you could even use the stock intake boot and AFM. Also we wonder if they could have just changed the pulley on the A/C compressor, it "should" be in the proper spot if you can.

And while roots are less efficient, they do the job, and have instant power.

By the way the:
M54 is equal to adding .75 liters to your engine.
M62 is 1 liter.

M54 is perfectly sized, the M62 is a bit oversize, but it is used on 1.6 and 1.8 Miatas, and the new Cobalt so it should not be an issue.

Be aware there are 3 different snouts, and the Mercedes version has an electronic clutch similar to an AC compressor so it can be turned on or off (could be interesting to play with).



Based on GRM, add the 19 pound injectors, an adj. pressure regulator, and reset the computer. It should be ok without re-programming as long as you stay with about 6 pounds of boost which is good for about 180hp.

The bottom end should hold together for it. As for other mods, the head/valve work Febi had done could be added to make it better, but the rest of the bottom end should be ok.

So, I may be looking at a welder here soon
Sheet metal blower intake anyone?  :)
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2006, 02:59:00 PM »
Hmmm...M50 swap (from Addissimo on R3V):

"$800 - 1993 525i engine with harness and accessories shipped
$350 - 1993 325i Transmission with flywheel
$200 - 1995 M3 AFM & chipped ECU - REALLY good deal from a friend
$180 - Clutch
$160 - 2.93 LSD - DON'T GO FOR THIS GEAR SET
$80 - New cooling hoses
$60 - Replaced rusty ignition coils
$60 - Metal impeller water pump
$50 - K&N Cone filter
$50 - e36 engine mounting arms
$40 - e28 engine mounts
$40 - z4 ssk
$25 - Spark plugs
$20 - Metal thermostat housing
$17 - Thermostat

$2082 total"

M50/S50 vs DASC I'm kinda leaning away from the latter now. But, then I would no longer be M42 powered:eek: . The M50/S50 swap seems WAAYYY more cost effective with better HP gains. Then again, there's a HUGE difference in labor involved.

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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2006, 07:11:42 PM »
yea its the samething i was thinking about....for less than the cost of DASC i can get an m20 complete(ignition, rad, tranny, complete exhaust)yes EVERYTHING w/240k for 700, swap cost another 600 and then i can pick up an turbo kit that a guy i know assmbles for about 1k which will give me over 200 horses.....it will all come up equal or even less than the kit with more gains....i love the m42 but other routes will be more bang for yur buck...febi guibos motor is a sweet gem but i just donno wen i look at the costs...for now m42 pwrrr fo life...at least if i swap you will know i was once an 318 cause shadowline babbyyy we got something that those 325 guys want!!! hehee

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2006, 10:29:50 PM »
M42 has 19lb injectors stock.

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2006, 11:38:07 PM »
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M42 has 19lb injectors stock.

Yeah for some reason I was thinking 17 was stock.
Also, the blower is only 3400, not 3900.

Too much time on the road this week.
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2006, 06:41:33 AM »
Quote from: GrippyDrifty
Hmmm...M50 swap (from Addissimo on R3V):

"$800 - 1993 525i engine with harness and accessories shipped
$350 - 1993 325i Transmission with flywheel
$200 - 1995 M3 AFM & chipped ECU - REALLY good deal from a friend
$180 - Clutch
$160 - 2.93 LSD - DON'T GO FOR THIS GEAR SET
$80 - New cooling hoses
$60 - Replaced rusty ignition coils
$60 - Metal impeller water pump
$50 - K&N Cone filter
$50 - e36 engine mounting arms
$40 - e28 engine mounts
$40 - z4 ssk
$25 - Spark plugs
$20 - Metal thermostat housing
$17 - Thermostat

$2082 total"

M50/S50 vs DASC I'm kinda leaning away from the latter now. But, then I would no longer be M42 powered:eek: . The M50/S50 swap seems WAAYYY more cost effective with better HP gains. Then again, there's a HUGE difference in labor involved.

If you factor how much you can sell your car for versus spending extra $$ for an m50, you might as well just sell you car and get a 325iS. This way you get the full OBC, cruise control and powersunroof as well and you don't have the hassle of dealing with the gremlins or labor issues associated with a swap. I have owned a super eta turned into a 327i, and several m20b25s and they aren't really that complicated save the fact you have to change your timing belt. Some say and m50 has more modification potential, yes that is true, but how many people actually go through to modifying them after install?

I would never put a stock m50 in place of the m42, at least get an m52, a worked m50 or an s50 if you're going to do it. Unless you just want it for the cool factor of having a 6 cylinder and to go through the swap process :D
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2006, 11:57:03 PM »
^^^Well, frankly, I don't care for the amenities that come on the 325is--power sunroof, OBC, etc. I like the m50's and s50's because they are chain driven and are DOHC. As well as the "extra potential" that never seems to be exploited, as you have mentioned. Ideally I would go S50, but m50b25 @ 190 ponies is not bad. It's all hypothetical though. As nice as an s50 swap sounds, it will not happen any time soon. For now I'll be satisfied with a good suspension kit and a lighter flywheel.;)

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2006, 02:38:18 AM »
very interesting. Riko, u wanna cop me a copy and il hook u paypal?
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