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« Reply #120 on: May 29, 2006, 10:24:39 PM »
ok: recap and some photos:

http://ee1394.com/bmw/fotomat/060529/

Hey, sorry to everybody for seemingly dropping off the face of the earth... it was a long, exhausting trip heading out and back, plus breaking down and the usual work getting the car sorted out.

I saved a lot of additonal stuff to be dealt with during / post swap, including a rebuilt tranny
(done literally around the corner from Thumper3ld in queens!),

a used 4.10 lsd (purchased from denis / dude8383) and a million other things that make sense to do when the engine is out.

quick thanks / answers:

- twinpop, M42fan: thanks again for the shout-out when I was kinda in my darkest hour. If I ever break down again, I wanna do it in Western PA... yinz are truly great people.

- qship and e9nine: you guys have PM re: metric mechanic. Call them and the owner Jim Rowe will *happily* talk to you at *length* about anything BMW related. The man can spin a yarn... I'm buying shares of his phone company's stock.

- nickmpower: cost estimate re: the engine: it's around 1/2 of your guess, thereabouts. (I got a break on the price because I was the first!)

- various horsepower estimates etc: we timed the car on a g-tech, I posted our best run. Obviously it doesn't mean much compared to a dyno (I am getting to that soon).

- finally: sheepdog: THANK YOU very much for driving out and answering the various questions and generally providing moral support and friendship.

We are extremely lucky to have a man such as yourself running our board. This guy is the real deal folks.


Some bitch hit my car

Okay, so I have kind of been recovering from BMW overload, 10 missed days from work, and (at the end of this message, a real special announcement)... and to make matters worse:

I parked my car on the street after I got home, came out the next day and SOMEONE HIT MY CAR!!! ...so I gotta get a new driver's side door and I'm really pissed about it. Totally crushed the door, the door handle, and god knows what else. It sucks, basically. What is wrong with people?!

We actually caught it on tape (there is a security camera on the bldg. next door) but the friggin angle was off so we couldn't get the plate #. We could, however, see her fat ass, talking on her cell phone, while she backs into my car. Big SUX. Where's CSI in real life??

general comments about metric mechanic:

As I said before... they are truly GREAT PEOPLE. It's a family shop that truly made me feel like part of their family. All of the BMW and engine crap aside, it was a life altering thing. Jim Rowe is one of the most intelligent, interesting people I've ever met (this is saying a lot).

Getting out of NYC and into the midwest for a week or so changed my thinking about a lot of stuff, and Jim, his wife, his son, their guys Courtney and (the other Jim), and basically, the entire friggin' town of Richland, MO helped put things into a different focus. It was a great experience and all I can say is 'BIG THANKS!". Words can't really cover it.

Specifically about the BMW side... it's a great trip. The shop is totally informal; I had complete access to everything and worked alongside them on the installation and the various other stuff.

Jim's son Teddy and their guys Court and the other Jim (Mr. Kempner) really know their stuff and can basically do it all. I had complete access to everything I needed and I learned more in the 7 days than I knew rolling in (not saying much, lol).

It was a 100% positive, zero B/S thing. If you ever wanted to work with a family operation where it was all product quality and knowledge and zero marketing b/s, this is it. They won't kiss your ass, but I realized as I was leaving that they give their customers 100% access because they have absolutely nothing to hide professionally or personally. It's that cool.

Anyway, the engine itself is great. Without a dyno, obviously the numbers situation is an open discussion. I can say this... shifting at 7600 rpm is enough excitement for me. The car has the same balance, handling, everything, except that the power and acceleration is *intense* at 3500 to 7500+ rpms. This thing has a w-i-d-e power band. I had a chance to drive both and the experience at full-throttle is roughly comparable to a 3.2L E36 M3. ("roughly" ... I'm not saying it's a 3.2L E36 M3).

The camming is aggressive with a lot of overlap (at least 288 on the intake and slightly less on the exhaust) and my idle is now around around 1000 rpms... I may actually detune the engine a little as I spend a ton of time in traffic.

I had a magnaflow exhaust put on... it's way too friggin loud so I'm going to put a resonator on it. I had a 19 hour drive to 'get used to it' and it didn't help much. It is free flowing, however.

General notes:

- the final displacement is around 2130 cc; the bore and stroke are almost exactly square and the pistons were set up to make it a non-interference engine.

- The head has 6mm valve stems, M50 lifters, and custom rods, pistons (wiseco) and wrist pins. The M50 lifters are interchangeable with stock, but hold a little more oil. Jim did EVERYTHING possible to reduce recpirocating mass and it really shows.

- The flywheel is a custom machined / lightened M20 flywheel... it drives fine and chatters a teeny bit at idle. I went with a sachs spring-loaded clutch. The lightened flywheel is a BIG MUST DO MOD. Jim can mail order the flywheels btw.

- I had an electric fan put in. Others have commented on it... just DO IT! I will dig up the various part #s for the fan and the relay. If you live in a cold weather climate with mild summers and no bumper to bumper traffic... my opinion, go ahead and remove the clutch fan thing.

- The tuning and AFM issues: this is going to be an ongoing thing. Right now, I'm running a stock chip with a raised idle and rev limit. Empirically, I've seen firsthand how lame the M42's stock partial throttle programming is, both in terms of A/F mgmt. and timing. Full throttle is actually pretty good.

Mark D'sylva was EXTREMELY HELPFUL (holy crap is he a nice guy) in getting me a chip that I could use to safely drive home, so he will probably be picking up the torch as far as getting the engine up to tune.

Obviously, you good M42 folks with ITB and MAF projects are also going to figure into this as well.

- the M42 has really tremendous exhaust headers. Be nice and have your exhaust headers bead-blasted and powdercoated people!


-project cost / benefit:

Well, this is going to be tough. Ironically the June issue of GRM with the E30 DASC arrived the day I was leaving... so, the good news (for everyone but me and Tim_s) is that there's a bolt on M42 supercharger...! I would imagine it's a great mod... there's no getting around the great economics of it.

I can't really comment on the S50 swap from a technical standpoint, but my advice is this: if you want an S50, it comes free with every running E36 M3.

Maybe we can convince Zoso to do a writeup on the swap, as he owns both. :)

All I can say is I have no regrets... my trip was pretty... moving to say the least, and honestly, the engine at this point is more a souvenir of a great experience. But, having said all that... I have a brand new engine that makes great power and revs to forever, and the car is even more of a joy to drive. I always loved my M42 and well... I'll have it for a long, long time.

Final notes:

Hopefully I will be able to get my (friggin) door fixed and get the thing on a dyno, tuned, and ready to roll in the next month. Having said that... the car is kinda the last thing on my mind right now because:

- I turned 35 last sunday (the 21st)
- I proposed to my girlfriend and she said yes!

link to my off topic thread:
the once and future Mrs. Guibo:

so, all's well that ends well...

it took all that to get my head straight and start to figure out love, life, and the M42.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2006, 10:31:00 PM by Febi Guibo »
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« Reply #121 on: May 29, 2006, 10:54:02 PM »
Congrats sam on both the motor and the fiancee. So when and where's the bachelor party? I'll do the research on an e30 m42 stretched limo. If anything, we can make one out of all our cars.

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« Reply #122 on: May 29, 2006, 10:55:05 PM »
I love it.  Awesome story except for the bashed door.

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« Reply #123 on: May 30, 2006, 03:11:41 PM »
question about the flywheels...

jim takes care of sourcing the flywheel and lightening it? how much will it cost to have it shipped to me?

also, more importantly, will this flywheel bolt up to our cars?


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« Reply #124 on: May 30, 2006, 03:48:07 PM »
Quote from: dude8383
question about the flywheels...

jim takes care of sourcing the flywheel and lightening it? how much will it cost to have it shipped to me?

also, more importantly, will this flywheel bolt up to our cars?

If you get it from Jim, it should be a bolt in affair.
Call them up and ask though. As Febi said they are up font and will hide nothing.





Sorry to hear about the door Febi, and I would have been there more had it been closer.
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« Reply #125 on: May 30, 2006, 08:12:05 PM »
Very impressive stuff man, glad everything...for the most part came together smoothly.

Any luck in finding the woman who rammed your door?

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« Reply #126 on: May 30, 2006, 09:23:09 PM »
Okay, so, any BDTD's on the flywheel?  I have the same flywheel in my car and having problems with getting the starter to turn it.  Sounds like it's hitting the flywheel versus turning it.  

Does Metric Mechanic have much experience with this mod?  Is there anyone I can call there to consult on this??  

So, is there any chatter when you engage the clutch??  How light did you go?  Mine's right at about 17 lbs on the scale.

Any advice greatly appreciated.  Sounds like it's a MUST DO mod from everyone I've heard done it.  This is all good news to me.  
Hope I have the same results.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2006, 09:27:59 PM by M42boy »

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« Reply #127 on: May 30, 2006, 09:38:52 PM »
Quote from: Febi Guibo
I can't really comment on the S50 swap from a technical standpoint, but my advice is this: if you want an S50, it comes free with every running E36 M3.

Maybe we can convince Zoso to do a writeup on the swap, as he owns both. :)

...
- I turned 35 last sunday (the 21st)
- I proposed to my girlfriend and she said yes!

I'd love to do the swap.. is my M42club sponsered S50 on it's way from the euro depot?  :D  Unless I find a spare S54 and a wiring kit lying around, the S52 is staying in the M3 :)   Drool - S54 in an E36 M3....

Actually I'm interested in hearing/reading more about the E30 M42 supercharger... because I don't think that would overly effect fuel economy.  (I love the 30+MPG on my daily 80 mile commute).  Blah - who am I kidding.  I'll be spending all my car funds to replace the worn suspension/steering bits in the 98 Jeep I just bought.  

Glad to hear that things went well with the engine.  It sounds like it's a blast.  Enjoy it!  Also, congrats with the engagement.  I was scared to pop the question and I knew for sure that the answer would be a yes.  She asked me many times but I reluctant because marriage is a huge change in life.  

I finally manned up and asked, eventually got married, and just 6 weeks ago had a son.  Crazy... but it's all good.  When you find the right girl, it's great to experience life together.  

Congrats and don't let anything destroy your buzz - including that bitch that backed into your car.  Karma is a bitch.  She'll get ovarian cancer or something.

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« Reply #128 on: May 30, 2006, 11:00:05 PM »
actaully sounds like a pretty good deal for what you got. isnt the engine not broken in yet!?!? maybe you should take it a little easier.

the e36 head comes with 6mm stems

was anything done about the dampner?

could you give us specs on the pistons?
« Last Edit: May 30, 2006, 11:04:46 PM by nickmpower »

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« Reply #129 on: May 30, 2006, 11:10:50 PM »
Quote from: nickmpower
actaully sounds like a pretty good deal for what you got. isnt the engine not broken in yet!?!? maybe you should take it a little easier.

the e36 head comes with 6mm stems

was anything done about the dampner?

could you give us specs on the pistons?
A good well built engine can be treated a bit worse on break in.Manufacturers are easier on them because they are basically slapped together with loose tolerances and unknown variables.

This is not to say you should beat the hell out of it right away, but you do not need to be as carefull.
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« Reply #130 on: May 31, 2006, 08:41:40 AM »
hey thanks all for the kind sentiments...

the pistons are custom from wiseco... they are around 88mm, with custom work for the valve cut-outs, and some additional work to help cool the things. Sorry for the lack of detail here, but wiseco was pretty mum on the deets, aside from certifying they met the supplied spec and qualified for their warranty.

This is the best pic of the bottom end stuff is attached.


re: the flywheel... it's custom, steel, and it's a direct bolt-on. It comes balanced, resurfaced, dressed, etc. I watched them machine mine and it was pretty cool!

You can call the shop and ask for Jim, Teddy or Court. It weighs around 10+ pounds or so. There is a little more noise at idle, but it starts fine and there's no clutch chatter; although I did put in a new sachs clutch as well.

It's not quite as light as an aluminium flywheel, but I saw a couple of relatively low mileage aluminium flywheels at the shop and folks: they don't look so hot after 20-30k miles.

The mod get's you into the M42s sweet spot a LOT faster... I was expecting good results but was still suprised at the difference.

The harmonic balancer dampener thing... it's been covered before... honestly... the engine has been tested at WOT, shifting at around 7600 rpms and so far, so good. If something goes south with it, you guys will be the first to know.

Provided you use a new balancer, I'm pretty confident we can file this one under the 'myth' category --although when I'm wrong... I tend to be spectacularly wrong. lol.

re: engine break-in: this was a really tight build and everybody involved was confident that we would basically go out and flog it immediately!

I drove relatively slowly back to NYC... so it's got about 1100 highway miles at 3000 rpm or so. We'll see how it goes. I'm switching to synthetic oil before going nuts with it.
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« Reply #131 on: May 31, 2006, 08:58:44 AM »
Febi, congratulations on EVERYTHING (except for the fat bitch door issue).

It's always good to travel and see how others live.  Different perspectives on life can be invaluable.  I've come to realize that fate is everything in life whether good or bad.  Everything happens for a reason to make us better people as long as we're smart enough to learn from it.  Sounds like you had a great 2 weeks even with the problems.

Glad to offer you the help and place to stay if you needed it.  Any time you need to come to western PA you've got a room.

Happy birthday too.
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« Reply #132 on: May 31, 2006, 09:02:16 AM »
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hey thanks all for the kind sentiments...

the pistons are custom from wiseco... they are around 88mm, with custom work for the valve cut-outs, and some additional work to help cool the things. Sorry for the lack of detail here, but wiseco was pretty mum on the deets, aside from certifying they met the supplied spec and qualified for their warranty.

This is the best pic of the bottom end stuff is attached.


re: the flywheel... it's custom, steel, and it's a direct bolt-on. It comes balanced, resurfaced, dressed, etc. I watched them machine mine and it was pretty cool!

You can call the shop and ask for Jim, Teddy or Court. It weighs around 10+ pounds or so. There is a little more noise at idle, but it starts fine and there's no clutch chatter; although I did put in a new sachs clutch as well.

It's not quite as light as an aluminium flywheel, but I saw a couple of relatively low mileage aluminium flywheels at the shop and folks: they don't look so hot after 20-30k miles.

The mod get's you into the M42s sweet spot a LOT faster... I was expecting good results but was still suprised at the difference.

The harmonic balancer dampener thing... it's been covered before... honestly... the engine has been tested at WOT, shifting at around 7600 rpms and so far, so good. If something goes south with it, you guys will be the first to know.

Provided you use a new balancer, I'm pretty confident we can file this one under the 'myth' category --although when I'm wrong... I tend to be spectacularly wrong. lol.

re: engine break-in: this was a really tight build and everybody involved was confident that we would basically go out and flog it immediately!

I drove relatively slowly back to NYC... so it's got about 1100 highway miles at 3000 rpm or so. We'll see how it goes. I'm switching to synthetic oil before going nuts with it.


Aye man, still waiting for you to explain the whole 4 pintle injector thing and why it maybe bad for our cars.

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« Reply #133 on: May 31, 2006, 09:31:39 AM »
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hey thanks all for the kind sentiments...

re: the flywheel... it's custom, steel, and it's a direct bolt-on. It comes balanced, resurfaced, dressed, etc. I watched them machine mine and it was pretty cool!

You can call the shop and ask for Jim, Teddy or Court. It weighs around 10+ pounds or so. There is a little more noise at idle, but it starts fine and there's no clutch chatter; although I did put in a new sachs clutch as well.

It's not quite as light as an aluminium flywheel, but I saw a couple of relatively low mileage aluminium flywheels at the shop and folks: they don't look so hot after 20-30k miles.

I called and spoke with Jim.  Wow, those guys definately know thier stuff when it comes to building BMW motors.  He was telling me about your conversion and most of the stuff was going right over my head.  :rolleyes:

So, if you didn't know already, your flywheel is an M20 flywheel that's been lightened.  They then shaved down the outer surface and stamped on the stock M42 ring gear.  That way you can use the stock M42 starter and there aren't problems with the spacing or hitting the oil pan.  

I think he used some sort of modified E36 throw-out bearing, but I'm not sure exactly.  

This sounds like the best option out there.  He said a stock M20 flywheel is about 23 lbs, and when resurfaced you might be sitting at 20-22 lbs, but not the quoted 17 lbs.  

Actually, Febi... your flywheel is about 10.5 lbs, which is real close to the weight of an aluminum flywheel.  I think he's using an E30 Sachs clutch, but not the stock M20 one.  Maybe you can elaborate?

Sounds like this is the ultimate setup.  If you want this flywheel, convince them to make a drop in kit and sell it!  :D   They can make you the flywheel, however.  Just call and ask for Jim.  

Wish I'd known about this before I tried to do this in-depth M20 flywheel conversion.  Now my car doesn't start!  :mad:
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« Reply #134 on: May 31, 2006, 11:08:22 AM »
so the dampner is new? damn, those are like $600 arent they?

also did you get the crank new?