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« Reply #105 on: May 23, 2006, 04:56:40 PM »
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its mainly meant to keep them from falling out

Depends on the way it is wired, some parts are wired for retention, some is wired to stay tight. If it is a bolt, it is so that it stays tight. No point in using it just to hold a bolt in place, too easy for it to case the bolt to loosen.
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« Reply #106 on: May 23, 2006, 05:06:00 PM »
Well, I may have done something closer to what BMWman91 did. Shredded the timing chain and pump assembly..

Only 2 bolts in my pan, the rear most. However there was much more in there. Aluminum, timing chain peices, etc...
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« Reply #107 on: May 23, 2006, 05:36:06 PM »
The most commen safety wired parts on race cars are rotor to brake hat allen head cap screws and ring gear to carrier bolts. All drain plugs are safety wired and lots of other stuff. ARP and other companies make a lot of pre drilled fasteners. You'll probably end up using them whenever possible because it's hard to drill those little holes in hardened fasteners.

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« Reply #108 on: May 23, 2006, 08:11:33 PM »
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The most commen safety wired parts on race cars are rotor to brake hat allen head cap screws and ring gear to carrier bolts. All drain plugs are safety wired and lots of other stuff. ARP and other companies make a lot of pre drilled fasteners. You'll probably end up using them whenever possible because it's hard to drill those little holes in hardened fasteners.

A race or machine shop can do it.
Not for the average home do-it-yourselfer though. Unless you like torture and breaking lots of bits.

I am more concerned right now with the other bits I found in the pan.
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« Reply #109 on: May 26, 2006, 11:30:14 AM »
Yo Sam, can u explain the deal with the 4 pintle injectors?

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« Reply #110 on: May 27, 2006, 02:51:30 AM »
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By the way, the trans rear end swap would kick you into the 13's, and while I know you are not concerned with q-mile times they are good for comparisons.

Glad you are almost home, as I am sure you are.


a bit OT, but am i missing something with this quarter mile estimate? sam's car is putting out an estimated 210bhp, and should be slower than a good m3 s14 (no offence intended - m3 = bigger capacity, bigger valves, superior head design and ITBs for a start). s14 does the quarter in about 15s with a close-ratio dogleg box with a 1:1 5th gear, LSD etc. i dont see how sam is gonna get into the 13s, even s50b32s etc and s50 converted e30s struggle to get those sorts of times over here. one of the best over here, an s50b32 e30 with an astounding spec list only just breaks into the 13s. this car has well over 300bhp and much more torque than sam's car.
would have thought mid 15s would be about the mark?

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« Reply #111 on: May 27, 2006, 12:08:35 PM »
well his car has like 20 more HP then a tip top shape s14, and it weighs like 200 or more pounds less

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« Reply #112 on: May 28, 2006, 05:08:43 AM »
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well his car has like 20 more HP then a tip top shape s14, and it weighs like 200 or more pounds less
I meant BMW S14, not nissan, just to clarify, but i think you meant the same. sure stock weight = 1260kg vs our 1125kg. but power output must be a good bit higher than sam's for obvious reasons, why do you think sam's would be more powerful? the stats dont match up. even if sam were making 20hp more and weighed 200lbs less, that wouldn't mean 13s rather than 15s, and still doesn't explain why a 320+bhp e30 can only just break into the high 13s.
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« Reply #113 on: May 28, 2006, 11:35:05 AM »
That sounds like an AWESOME motor!  I would be surprised if it were making 210 at the fly though.  Metric Mechanic is notorious for inflating performance figures.

I love it though!

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« Reply #114 on: May 28, 2006, 11:38:52 AM »
that guy on bimmer forums made like 170whp with stock head and intake
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« Reply #115 on: May 28, 2006, 11:42:44 AM »
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That sounds like an AWESOME motor!  I would be surprised if it were making 210 at the fly though.  Metric Mechanic is notorious for inflating performance figures.

I love it though!

G-tech, desktop dynos and 1/4 mile times are pretty close to what they should be for its weight and estimated power.

210hp for a 2.1 liter car is not hard to imagine. Honda has acheived 100hp per liter for quite a while. Even Mark D. (the chip programmer) noticed the engine was far more efficient.

Even compared to other cars of known power it responds exactly as it should. If it is off by more than 15hp, I would be surprised, and there is still more power there to be tapped with more tuning and some internal engine changes. There is more weight to remove and more compression available.

Along with more cubic inches, this motor has a pretty wild cam, lighter parts, flow benched, and has higher compression.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2006, 11:47:33 AM by sheepdog »
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« Reply #116 on: May 28, 2006, 06:01:16 PM »
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that guy on bimmer forums made like 170whp with stock head and intake

it was never confirmed though.  I think it might have been a slight exaggeration.

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« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2006, 06:02:35 PM »
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G-tech, desktop dynos and 1/4 mile times are pretty close to what they should be for its weight and estimated power.

210hp for a 2.1 liter car is not hard to imagine. Honda has acheived 100hp per liter for quite a while. Even Mark D. (the chip programmer) noticed the engine was far more efficient.

Even compared to other cars of known power it responds exactly as it should. If it is off by more than 15hp, I would be surprised, and there is still more power there to be tapped with more tuning and some internal engine changes. There is more weight to remove and more compression available.

Along with more cubic inches, this motor has a pretty wild cam, lighter parts, flow benched, and has higher compression.


i reckon 210bhp would be a hopeful figure, but is def possible. seen 20XEs getting close to that figure without ITBs but race cams and custom fuelling. but is def quite a hopeful figure, as would be about the same output per litre as a euro s50 which has almost identical design and ports to the m42, but bigger inlet valves (prob most importantly), throttle bodies (at least 3 times the surface area of m42), stronger valvetrain (solid lifters etc), vanos, MAF, higher fuel pressure and the list goes on. so I think 210bhp would be a high estimate, but is certainly possible. still dont see how a 210bhp e30 will do a 13s quarter mile though. really dont. an evo2 S14 has 215bhp factory, the guy who dyno'd my m42 (before 2.1) at 112bhp atw on MS makes nearly 180bhp atw on the same rollers (in other words s14s do better than factory figures on the rollers). that will do a quarter in 15s. as for the 170bhp at the wheels of the guy on bimmerforums, i think that was a high figure. i have a 2.1 M42 and it probably makes about that figure at the flywheel, which is what you'd expect if you consider the increase in capacity and increase in VE and higher CR etc.

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« Reply #118 on: May 28, 2006, 08:30:41 PM »
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i reckon 210bhp would be a hopeful figure, but is def possible. seen 20XEs getting close to that figure without ITBs but race cams and custom fuelling. but is def quite a hopeful figure, as would be about the same output per litre as a euro s50 which has almost identical design and ports to the m42, but bigger inlet valves (prob most importantly), throttle bodies (at least 3 times the surface area of m42), stronger valvetrain (solid lifters etc), vanos, MAF, higher fuel pressure and the list goes on. so I think 210bhp would be a high estimate, but is certainly possible. still dont see how a 210bhp e30 will do a 13s quarter mile though. really dont. an evo2 S14 has 215bhp factory, the guy who dyno'd my m42 (before 2.1) at 112bhp atw on MS makes nearly 180bhp atw on the same rollers (in other words s14s do better than factory figures on the rollers). that will do a quarter in 15s.


It is estimated at mid 14's. Not 13's. To hit 13 requires a close ratio transmission, and a rear end gear perfectly mated to it, which is NOT a 4.10. We tried every gear available from BMW in the last 15 years to find the right one to use, then played with tire/wheel size to get it perfect. BMW does not gear for acceleration.

If you play with rear end and tranys on many cars you can find a lot of extra speed tucked away in them. The problem is that they can whine on highways (though not in this case) or cause a dramatic drop in economy. In this case, he would probably loose about 1-3mpg, but he already gets better than stock.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2006, 08:38:42 PM by sheepdog »
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« Reply #119 on: May 28, 2006, 08:47:16 PM »
the bigger injectors just make it seem like better then stock