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« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2012, 02:58:08 PM »
I dont know about the m30 pressure plate but the m20 pressure plate does not fit in the g240.

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« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2012, 11:02:50 PM »
Quote from: fumstoo;114101
I dont know about the m30 pressure plate but the m20 pressure plate does not fit in the g240.


Not true at all! I put almost 80k miles over 8 years on a stock M20 flywheel/clutch with the Getrag 240. The flywheel will not fit unless it has been lightened (material on the back side removed so it doesn't hit the rear main seal cover), OR if you remove the steel spacer ring thing from the stock M42 flywheel and use that with the M20 flywheel. Note, you can ONLY use the 1988+ M20B25 flywheel (from the "i" motor, not the "e" motor), and you will either need to swap the M42 ring gear on, or install an M20 pinion gear into the M42 starter (that's what I did).

Also, I can confirm that the M30 flywheel and clutch assembly fits just fine in the Getrag 240 bellhousing. I didn't measure or anything, but the M30 PP's outer dimensions actually seem smaller than the M20 PP's, and it certainly is no thicker. This is despite its 12mm larger OD friction surface. On the phone, Teddy at MM assured me that they use M30 flywheel/clutch assemblies on M42's all the time, mostly on boosted motors.

I made good progress today. Most of the more annoying accessories/brackets were installed on the new motor before putting it back into the chassis, and I have to say that working on a motor when it is outside of the car is SO MUCH EASIER! I rented an Easy-Up canopy thing for working on the car in the driveway since I was expecting the sun to beat me down pretty bad. Well, it actually rained/sprinkled a little today, which is totally uncharacteristic for this part of CA in August. I got hit with a flash-downpour in July 2011 when I was rebuilding my timing case too. The motor was mostly apart and exposed...and it freaking rained in the hottest, driest month here...I was really pissed lol. Today, whatever, I had the canopy lol. I think that it is sure to rain if I am doing a large car project.

Anyway, I still need to reinstall the driveshaft and exhaust stuff. Hoses and electrical connections also need to be made. I started the mess under the intake mod, but need to modify my setup a little more since the hose arrangement hits the electrical box under the intake manifold. A little trimming and turning should fix that. I opted to go with the method that jumps the port on the head to the water pipe, rather than plugging the ports. I don't really think that it matters either way, but I want to maintain the original BMW coolant flow system.

I have lots of pictures and stuff. They will get posted in a day or two.

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« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2012, 12:11:38 AM »
I got the oil filter housing sorted out tonight (see other threads where I get neurotic about excess RTV lol). The skid plate was reinstalled and I took the front kidney grill off to re-paint it black since it was chipped up & sad looking. Maybe I will paint the other grilles in the near future since they are fading.

As of now, I just need the 24# injectors and chip from MM. They said that they were overnighting them when I called this morning, so the end is near! Tomorrow I just have to install those items, bleed the PS system, bleed the coolant and seat the rings. I am a jumbled mix of excitement and worry right now! Wish me luck that I got it all put back together properly. I can rest more easily since I know that the guys at MM assembled all of the motor's internals, so I am confident that those will be solid.

Oh, I also got selected to be on a jury, so this week is, uuuuh, EXTRA fun. At least I usually get done with that earlier in the day than I would if I was at work, and the court is much closer to where my parents live / where the car is, so I can hopefully get an early start finishing it up tomorrow!
« Last Edit: August 07, 2012, 12:20:07 AM by bmwman91 »

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« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2012, 09:55:14 PM »
Loving this thread.

You can fit a M/S5x 240mm clutch setup in a G240 but it takes a bit of "clearancing". I bought a M42/G240 package and the bellhousing was not pretty, but did work. The very outer corners of the pressure plate were also ground down slightly.

An M30 flywheel and clutch maybe a different profile however as the "m3" setup my thing had was a direct replacement for dual mass flywheels, and the flywheel had a massive offset. If the M30 is more like a conventional M20 single mass flywheel and the pressure plate cover is not excessively thick you may get away with it.

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« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2012, 09:04:22 AM »
Quote from: bmwman91;114116
Not true at all! I put almost 80k miles over 8 years on a stock M20 flywheel/clutch with the Getrag 240. The flywheel will not fit unless it has been lightened (material on the back side removed so it doesn't hit the rear main seal cover), OR if you remove the steel spacer ring thing from the stock M42 flywheel and use that with the M20 flywheel. Note, you can ONLY use the 1988+ M20B25 flywheel (from the "i" motor, not the "e" motor), and you will either need to swap the M42 ring gear on, or install an M20 pinion gear into the M42 starter (that's what I did).


I forgot that im using m42 flywheel with m20 pressure plate.. Strange hybrid clutch setup. Vac built the flywheel for me

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« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2012, 02:01:57 PM »
Well, hopefully it all works out. I have not had a chance to fire the thing up because MM has forgotten to ship the chip and injectors 3 times now. I am a patient guy, but it is getting old. I just called them and it sounds like they still have not sent the stuff, despite it all being ready to go otherwise.

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« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2012, 01:59:17 PM »
Update?

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« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2012, 12:16:28 PM »
OK, updates...

As some of you may have seen in another thread here, there was an "issue" with the engine about 70 miles in. In short, the rear-most exhaust valve spring for cylinder #2 broke at the 3rd coil from the top. That was about a month ago.

MM has been awesome since then. They paid shipping both ways and repaired everything at no charge to me. The engine is on a truck right now, passing through Kansas City on its way to me. Delivery will be this Friday and I should be cruising around by Saturday evening. Jim at MM also didn't like how a couple of the cam lobes on the intake side were wearing the lifters, so he re-polished the lifters and sent the cam out for inspection & re-grind. These guys are certainly thorough! I have a feeling that they want to see this engine come back to them again about as much as I want to have to send it to them again.

The broken valve spring is probably just a one-in-a-million thing. MM has been using these springs for at least a decade, and thousands of them. They have seen broken ones before, but only in race cars that have spent many many hours at red line. This was a real shock to them since they have never seen it happen like this before. MM is sending me the broken spring so that I can have it as a sort of keepsake lol.

Anyway, hopefully this weekend will be the last time that I need to wrench on the car for a long, LONG time.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2012, 12:31:07 PM by bmwman91 »

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« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2012, 12:36:39 PM »
Awesome news dude!! Good Luck with it.

Now I just need to get mine up and running!

Cheers,
~Ralph

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« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2012, 12:21:29 PM »
Great news! Glad to hear they are treating you right!
-Nick
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« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2012, 08:46:58 AM »
Sweet!!

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« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2012, 10:44:51 PM »
Haha well this saga never ends. I got the engine back and it looks good, except for the missing flywheel. My lightened M30 flywheel with an M20 ring gear is sitting in their shop somewhere (well, it had better be) and I sort of need that. Looks like the action will happen NEXT weekend. Normally I would be pretty pissed, but since I have a lot of wedding planning stuff that I need to do this weekend, this logistical "oops" by MM is more or less OK with me.

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« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2012, 12:06:26 AM »
I hope you are well taken care of by MM...

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« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2012, 12:29:26 AM »
Yeah they have been great so far. There have been a number of logistical issues, mainly involving shipping things, but the customer service is great and I still trust their reputation for building the best BMW engines in the country.

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« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2012, 04:32:49 PM »
Alrighty, I got the fixed new engine installed over the weekend. So far everything is wonderful. It is like a completely different engine after the repair. MM stood behind me 110% and probably lost their entire profit margin on this engine, and never once asked me to pay for anything. This was all due to a broken valve spring, which isn't even entirely their fault. Despite numerous logistical frustrations with them, it has been a very positive experience working with them, overall. They know their stuff and will gladly talk your ear of about M42 engines.

My suspicion is that the valve spring that broke was partially collapsed from the first start, and that one of the exhaust valves was just never really seating properly, and possibly bouncing. Now, it idles perfectly fine, it runs quieter and it pulls far more smoothly. With the hot cams and pulse chamber intake manifold, it even sounds a lot meaner than the stock one! On top of that, the raspy noises when accelerating are gone, and replaced with a slight whine. I think that all of us have assumed that the raspy noises were from the exhaust, but I am really thinking that they come from the timing chain's idler sprocket. Playing with the one from my old engine, it is entirely conceivable that that sprocket's bearings make all that noise. Now, I just have a neat whine as the chain moves over an M44 rubber guide rail in that place. No more sprocket!

As of now, I have only put maybe 40-50 miles on it. Wedding plans and business travel keep me super busy, and I don't expect to do a lot of driving for the next couple of months. Still, I have given it a few WOT runs up to 5000RPM and it pulls really hard and smoothly. This thing has a lot more mid-range torque than the stock M42, and it just feels great. The 11lb M20 flywheel that is in there also makes it feel really alive. One I get 1000 or so miles on it, I will put in some 15W-50 full synthetic oil and run it up to redline. THAT should be a lot of fun!

I am still hesitant to let my guard down with this car, sadly, but I am fairly optimistic that future problems will be with things other than the engine. Really, my only concern now is surrounding the transmission. At least those are cheap and plentiful, and relatively easy to replace. At idle with the clutch pedal up, I get a lot of mechanical noise from the input shaft. Both of my stock 318iS' were like this, but it is now a lot louder. This might be due to the lighter flywheel, and the fact that the new engine runs so quiet that the input shaft noise appears louder.

I swear that I am also getting some sort of vibration noise on the highway, and it sort of seems RPM related, but it is totally intermittent and I don't seem to get it around town. It may just be the worn out solid rear sway bar links, which ARE noisy, hitting uneven patches in the road. When I was putting the driveshaft back together under the car I was hot, tired and pissed off. As far as I can remember, I got the little white alignment marks aligned properly. I put a driveshaft back together improperly once in 2004 and it was immediately apparent at any speed in excess of 35mph. If it is misaligned now, it is only so by 1 spline, but I would assume that at 75mph it would make for a pronounced vibration. Anyway, I am probably over-thinking things. No more wrenching until 2013!
« Last Edit: October 03, 2012, 07:59:18 PM by bmwman91 »

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