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TOOLEAN

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Single Roller Timing Chain
« on: January 15, 2015, 09:33:21 PM »
I believe the M42 (e36) uses a 94 link timing chain.  It's currently a double roller, and I would like to convert it to a single roller.  Everything is pretty straight forward except for sourcing the chain.  Anyone found a place to get this timing chain?


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Re: Single Roller Timing Chain
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2015, 10:31:00 PM »
Hi
What's your reasoning behind going single row timing chain.
There are a few other things to do to for it to work.
That's why BMW went to double row.
M44 or m42? Ie wheel of guide.
Cheers Rohan

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Re: Single Roller Timing Chain
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2015, 05:36:39 PM »
I think Metric Mechanic has a set up for a single row timing chain.

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Re: Single Roller Timing Chain
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2015, 08:05:27 AM »
Judging by this website:
http://saintgeorgeltd.com/Part-Listings/Timing/TIMING%20CHAINS.html

It appears that sourcing a single row chain might be as easy as ordering a timing chain for one of these models:
     1983-1985   BMW 318
     1979-1983   BMW 320
     1979-1981   BMW 528
     1983-1984   BMW 533
     1985-1989   BMW 535
     1979-1984   BMW 633
     1985-1987   BMW 635
     1979-1984   BMW 733
     1985-1987   BMW 735

Thoughts?

The number of links is the same or it needs to be shortened?

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Re: Single Roller Timing Chain
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2015, 07:17:08 PM »
Judging by this website:
http://saintgeorgeltd.com/Part-Listings/Timing/TIMING%20CHAINS.html

It appears that sourcing a single row chain might be as easy as ordering a timing chain for one of these models:
     1983-1985   BMW 318
     1979-1983   BMW 320
     1979-1981   BMW 528
     1983-1984   BMW 533
     1985-1989   BMW 535
     1979-1984   BMW 633
     1985-1987   BMW 635
     1979-1984   BMW 733
     1985-1987   BMW 735

Thoughts?

Yes BMW went from these to double row chains for a reason. With the m42/m50/s50.
Because they where not durable enough.
However mm have spent time and research into finding one that will work.
So I ask you how much will it cost if your valves argue with your Pistons?

Cheers Rohan

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Re: Single Roller Timing Chain
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2015, 06:08:23 PM »
I have a MM single row chain setup in my car (well, the whole engine was built by them actually). I take it up to 7700RPM all day long, no problems with the chain. The whole chain-stretching thing is a myth. No M42 owner has ever pulled their chain out after hundreds of thousands of miles and found it to have stretched by even 1mm. The failure mode is almost always that the rollers shatter and fall off (and get into the oil pump!), or just that the rollers wear on the pins and things get a little sloppy/noisy. Personally i have never heard of a broken M42 timing chain. According to MM, one of the big reasons that the M42 has such a bad track record with broken and worn out chain guides is that the OEM double-row chain is way overkill and all that mass swinging around just wears everything out. In their opinion, the single-row chain makes for a MORE reliable engine (and of course keep in mind that they also happen to sell this, so believe what you want). One must make sure to use a proper chain that is strong enough though.

To properly do the conversion, you need the chain, modified cam sprockets, a modified crank sprocket and a modified idler sprocket. Honestly, if you are going to bother at all, swap in a late-model M42 timing case, or an M44 timing case, since those do not use the stupid idler sprocket at all (it is VERY unreliable at this point and has caused total engine failure on many M42's by now). The M44 timing case uses a slightly larger oil pump, which is a plus, but you will need a custom bracket to hold the crank position sensor.

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Re: Single Roller Timing Chain
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2015, 03:27:16 AM »
Hello bmwman
Which timing case setup does mm use on there m42s?
Early m42 sprocket, late m42 guide, or m44?

Cheers Rohan