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« on: October 08, 2010, 08:22:03 PM »
are there any lsd pros out there? whats the difference bewteen a 4.10 vrs. a 3.71 coming off the line.?  i have a e30 318is
and does anyone know what ratio is in a automatic 1987 325is?

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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 08:33:19 PM »
I think an auto 325is has a 3.73 medium case.  It'll bolt right up.  I've seen a few links that say after 9/88 the auto 325is runs a 4.10.

I'd recommend it, IMHO the 4.10 is too high for the M42.  I have a 3.73 in mine and I really like it.  I'm no accel junkie though.
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 12:53:39 PM »
i also put a 3.73 in and it's a big improvement. had to shorten the driveshaft to bolt it in there.

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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 02:22:50 PM »
stupid question but did the m42 come with a small or medium case diff jw because mine has a medium case 4.10 open diff which i hate

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2010, 03:42:00 PM »
auto 325is would have 4.10 clutch-type medium-case.

i have a 4.10 torsen medium-case in mine and i love it, i don't think i'd like it with a taller gear, but to each his own.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2010, 03:56:47 PM »
All M42s had small case-diffs.  In my experience, all of them had been replaced at least once.  My car is on her third diff - leaking output seals killed the input bearing...but was what finally annoyed the PO into selling it to me.  I just tossed in what I had, turned out nicely.  I couldn't read the tags, so it's possible that the donor 325i didn't have a 3.73 as originally spec'ed.

The medium case can take a lot more torque in case engine upgrades are in your future.  You could also add an LSD unit to your current diff - transmission shops could likely handle a job like that.  It's not like other makes that have different manufacturers for the open & LSD...I'm told the BMW diff can be converted with an overhauled LSD pack in the middle.  You could also go with a cheap torsen, OBX makes a cheapie for the e30 that can have new clutch springs installed to improve durability.  BMW has an OEM medium case torsen in the later Z3's that's worth a shot...put a bid for one into carpart.com & see what comes up.  They're the best type from what I've heard.

The 3.73 helps a little with fuel mileage too, but it does hurt acceleration especially from a dead stop.  Taller is more useful for the car's torque curve IMHO.  You get more out of each gear, so you can space out your shifts more.  I use the car mainly for highway driving, the taller diff really helps there.  IIRC mine runs only about 2500 rpm at legal speeds and maybe 3500rpm at 75mph or so.  Makes for great passing performance...the car goes from 70-90 very quickly right at the torque peak like that.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2010, 01:53:12 AM »
So I am assuming that I have an open 4.10 in my 318is. I tried to have some fun and kick it out sideways today. Even in the rain, both wheels don't spin. Sometimes I get a nice drift, but never in 1st, always breaks loose in 2nd. What do I need to be able to do a little drifting.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2010, 02:39:05 PM »
I'm no expert, but IMHO the M42 isn't really good for drifting.  I'd suggest a cheap BMW like a 5-speed 325 eta or 535i for that - both have meatier torque curves & more weight over the front.

A stock BMW LSD is also likely well-worn by now...that's another consideration.  I'd also replace all the subframe rubber with poly or alu.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 12:59:01 AM »
OK, is there any way to rebuild the diff. I don't want to buy another used part and have it get worn down again. I rarely drift, I just want to know that I can :) I chose the M42 model, specifically for the light motor. I like to go around bends quickly more than I drift and the M42 has great weight distribution for that. I'm going to be doing some upgrades to the car that will make her as quick as the 325. Right now I just want to get the drive line and suspension all set up.

Edit: Btw used to own a 325e, fun car, just very heavy. And with the older style motor set up, run in to problems first week of owning the car. This 318is - 2 months = happy camper :) Except a loose hose.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2010, 09:06:39 AM »
M42 FTW!!  I agree about the handling.  Very sweet car for driving, BMW did it right.

Any good tranny shop can re-do a diff.  IDK any specialists for the BMW diffs, but they're bound to be out there.  The LSD pack does eventually wear out at high miles.  The unit can also be given a different spring or disks to make it lock up quicker or firmer...instead of the OEM 25% you can customize it a bit.

I'm sure that an advanced home mechanic could do it, but tolerances are very small for errors.  Setting pre-load on the input bearing is tricky to get right from what I'm told.  Parts can be expensive too, without a pro discount.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2010, 11:14:14 PM »
Okay, I think I know I know a shop around here that is capable. What is the estimated value for parts on a rebuild? I have been wanting to get under the car and change all the bushings and what not too, but have no time to dedicate. I might just take her in and get it all done at once.

So far I am happy with the car. I am running a Dinan software chip, would like to get the diif and suspension all stiff. Then comes a cold air filter, muffler, and light weight fly wheel :) I think at that point I will be set. maybe some good plug wires too.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2010, 07:13:22 AM »
I've seen rebuilds in the $500 range, always more than a decent used part would go for.  If they have been modified by a qualified shop for increased lock-up or upgraded to mechanical spools they're usually a bit more.

Racing is pricey, even if you do it wrong.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2010, 07:18:22 AM »
That diffs online.com link can get expensive...a custom gearset (>4.45) with a few extras can easily get over $4k!

:eek:

I could get a decent 318is for that, maybe even a parts car as well.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2010, 10:15:32 AM »
Wow that's definitely over my budget! I'm in college, and work as a starbucks barista :) I think I will stick to the cheapest good quality rebuild :))))
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